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grunewar Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:38pm

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Originally Posted by Berkut (Post 659461)
Part of this, I think, is the difference between JV and Varsity basketball.

As someone who does mostly JV at the moment, the difference between bad JV basketball and decent Varsity is pretty huge as far as

A. What kind of contact a player can play through,
B. The ability of a defender to pressure without fouling, and
C. The players ability to grok what is being called and adjust accordingly.

At the varsity level, the guy getting the little bump plays right on through it - at the JV level, he takes two steps dribbles the ball off his face, falls down, and takes out a third player in the process. So you tend to be a little quicker on the whistle.

I watch plenty of Varsity games and think "Damn, that looks a LOT easier to officiate than JV...." The speed and size if faster and bigger of course, but the players are often under MUCH better control on both sides of the ball
.

Agree. Except for that grok part - I don't know what that means.....

Rich Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:39pm

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Originally Posted by Berkut (Post 659461)
At the varsity level, the guy getting the little bump plays right on through it - at the JV level, he takes two steps dribbles the ball off his face, falls down, and takes out a third player in the process. So you tend to be a little quicker on the whistle.

Those things happen at the varsity level, too, just not as often.

Patient whistles allow us to evaluate advantage/disadvantage better. Once in a while a coach will say a whistle is late. I do my best not to thank him for noticing. :D

My point is that the quick whistle in the JV game means that those guys never get to determine advantage/disadvantage. In some games, most contact would be fouls. In some of the bigger schools, though, JVs play as well as small school varsity and slower whistles would make for better flowing games.

Mark Padgett Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:41pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 659466)
Agree. Except for that grok part - I don't know what that means.....

http://rlv.zcache.com/i_grok_spock_s...86ype6_400.jpg

Rich Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:43pm

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Originally Posted by asdf (Post 659465)
What happens in a loud gym ? Not many schools have PTS.

You blow the whistle louder or use one of those new SonikBlasts. :D

Raising the hand on an out-of-bounds call does nothing to improve the clock stopping, in my experience. The officials in non-PTS NCAA games don't raise their hands (in general) and the clock stops just fine.

grunewar Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:59pm

Thanks Mark
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 659468)

and now, I still don't know what it means.....

LocDog249 Mon Feb 08, 2010 01:05pm

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Originally Posted by KJUmp (Post 659428)
On my board the vets running the classes for the 2nd yr. refs trying to make the board literally POUNDED into our heads the need for throw-ins to take place from the proper spot. Aside from it being a rule, they pointed out how an incorrect throw-in spot can present a significant advantage/disadvantage to either the offense or defense depending on the situation.
Our JV game evaluations by the V officials has a section just on throw-ins:

That has got to hurt. I hope you have never literally "screwed the pooch" on a call...... Not a pretty sight for the fans.

Berkut Mon Feb 08, 2010 01:29pm

grok (grk)
tr.v. grok·ked, grok·king, groks Slang
To understand profoundly through intuition or empathy.

Adam Mon Feb 08, 2010 01:51pm

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Originally Posted by LocDog249 (Post 659487)
That has got to hurt. I hope you have never literally "screwed the pooch" on a call...... Not a pretty sight for the fans.

One of my verbal pet peeves is literally when people misuse the term "literally."

Adam Mon Feb 08, 2010 01:52pm

Back to the OP: "Talk too much."

DLH17 Mon Feb 08, 2010 01:54pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 659515)
Back to the OP: "Talk too much."


good one.

i always try to remember that 'silence cannot be quoted'.

Berkut Mon Feb 08, 2010 01:55pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 659515)
Back to the OP: "Talk too much."

This.

Adam Mon Feb 08, 2010 01:56pm

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 659516)
good one.

i always try to remember that 'silence cannot be quoted'.

And it starts in the captains/coaches meetings.

DLH17 Mon Feb 08, 2010 01:56pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 659519)
And it starts in the captains/coaches meetings.

agreed

mbyron Mon Feb 08, 2010 02:01pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 659514)
One of my verbal pet peeves is literally when people misuse the term "literally."

Me too, especially when it involves "screwing" and "the pooch."
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MelbRef Mon Feb 08, 2010 02:04pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 659297)
MelbRef:

I would tend to agree with you. Even worse is the fact that there are many veteran officials that make the same mistake. Are you from Melbourne, Florida?

MTD, Sr.

Yes, Melbourne Florida. Great town, IMO.


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