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jdw3018 Mon Feb 08, 2010 02:27pm

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Originally Posted by Berkut (Post 659419)
RE: the throw in diagram....

Why do so many officials place the ball for a throw in just outside the lane on the endline, no matter where the violation occurred along the endline (or on the court if we are "pushing" down to the endline)?

I'm a throw-in spot stickler like several of the others, and nowhere moreso than on the endline. Obviously, the ball is never put in inside the lane lines extended so anything that happens in the lane ends up at that spot just outside the lane. However, I'll move players out to the correct spot several times during each game.

"24, take a step out here for me" is a pretty common occurrence in my games.

Adam Mon Feb 08, 2010 02:36pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 659543)
I'm a throw-in spot stickler like several of the others, and nowhere moreso than on the endline. Obviously, the ball is never put in inside the lane lines extended so anything that happens in the lane ends up at that spot just outside the lane. However, I'll move players out to the correct spot several times during each game.

"24, take a step out here for me" is a pretty common occurrence in my games.

Me too.

"42, out here."
pause while he moves a little
"Three more steps, please."
pause while he moves to the spot.
"Thank you."

Or, I'll find a marking on the floor, "Right here on the "S"."

MelbRef Mon Feb 08, 2010 02:42pm

Good points on endline throw-in spots.

From a coaches perspective (past life), you will call a timeout with the ball in the lane, to set up a final second in-bound play right under the basket.

Imagine how frustrating it would be when the ball is put in play on the sideline.

asdf Mon Feb 08, 2010 02:49pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 659469)
You blow the whistle louder or use one of those new SonikBlasts. :D

Raising the hand on an out-of-bounds call does nothing to improve the clock stopping, in my experience. The officials in non-PTS NCAA games don't raise their hands (in general) and the clock stops just fine.

Why then, blow the whistle at all?

Lazy on mechanics, generally means lazy elsewhere. (in general)

Adam Mon Feb 08, 2010 02:57pm

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Originally Posted by asdf (Post 659552)
Why then, blow the whistle at all?

Lazy on mechanics, generally means lazy elsewhere. (in general)

The trick is to find out which is "lazy" and which is simply a local difference. And if you can't figure it out quickly, perhaps making a charitable assumption is in order.

DLH17 Mon Feb 08, 2010 03:04pm

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Originally Posted by MelbRef (Post 659550)
Good points on endline throw-in spots.

From a coaches perspective (past life), you will call a timeout with the ball in the lane, to set up a final second in-bound play right under the basket.

Imagine how frustrating it would be when the ball is put in play on the sideline.

It's been my experience that an asst coach will usually ask where the ball will be put into play after I, or my partner, report the timeout to the table.

Adam Mon Feb 08, 2010 03:04pm

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 659556)
It's been my experience that an asst coach will usually ask where the ball will be put into play after I, or my partner, report the timeout to the table.

I had a game last week where the AC would ask every time. Other than that, I've been asked less than 5 times all year.

DLH17 Mon Feb 08, 2010 03:09pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 659557)
I had a game last week where the AC would ask every time. Other than that, I've been asked less than 5 times all year.

I always make sure my and partner and I know where the ball will be inbounded. Is there NFHS protocol for notifiying one or both coaches/benches?

jdw3018 Mon Feb 08, 2010 03:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelbRef (Post 659550)
Good points on endline throw-in spots.

From a coaches perspective (past life), you will call a timeout with the ball in the lane, to set up a final second in-bound play right under the basket.

Imagine how frustrating it would be when the ball is put in play on the sideline.

This is why, in addition to making sure I've designated a spot after granting a timeout (and before reporting it) I am also a big believe in proper mechanics. An official should be at the throw-in spot with the ball. If you're wondering around with the ball, coaches can get confused about where the throw-in spot will be.

DLH17 Mon Feb 08, 2010 03:13pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 659562)
This is why, in addition to making sure I've designated a spot after granting a timeout (and before reporting it) I am also a big believe in proper mechanics. An official should be at the throw-in spot with the ball. If you're wondering around with the ball, coaches can get confused about where the throw-in spot will be.

If that is all we are required to do (which we doo doo), then that answers the question. :)

jdw3018 Mon Feb 08, 2010 03:14pm

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 659563)
If that is all we are required to do (which we doo doo), then that answers the question. :)

Yep, proper mechanics will notify anyone who wants to know. That said, if someone comes out of the huddle to ask we should definitely indicate for them.

It's helpful if you can point to your P and say "right where he's standing."

Rich Mon Feb 08, 2010 03:19pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 659554)
The trick is to find out which is "lazy" and which is simply a local difference. And if you can't figure it out quickly, perhaps making a charitable assumption is in order.

This.

My favorite officials to watch (sarcasm alert) are the ones who call an out of bounds by just raising their hands and then not pointing at all (perhaps they are just calling out a color verbally, but who knows since I can't hear them from the stands).

We all have our things and there are regional differences everywhere. One of my peeves is the official who doesn't whistle in subs -- in other areas this is perfectly normal. When in Rome, I guess...

Adam Mon Feb 08, 2010 03:21pm

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 659560)
I always make sure my and partner and I know where the ball will be inbounded. Is there NFHS protocol for notifiying one or both coaches/benches?

That's why the timeout mechanic has one official standing at the spot. If they ask, I'll say "right here" or point to the sideline if I'm standing in front of the bench where the throwin will be.

Rock Chalk Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:22pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 659570)
This.

My favorite officials to watch (sarcasm alert) are the ones who call an out of bounds by just raising their hands and then not pointing at all (perhaps they are just calling out a color verbally, but who knows since I can't hear them from the stands).

We all have our things and there are regional differences everywhere. One of my peeves is the official who doesn't whistle in subs -- in other areas this is perfectly normal. When in Rome, I guess...


Had an observer tell our crew to not whistle in subs. He is a guy who helps on the state tournament selection. So I guess it really does matter where you are located. Was told the only time to whistle in subs is if there is no horn.

Rich Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:30pm

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Originally Posted by Rock Chalk (Post 659649)
Had an observer tell our crew to not whistle in subs. He is a guy who helps on the state tournament selection. So I guess it really does matter where you are located. Was told the only time to whistle in subs is if there is no horn.

Which is in direct opposition to the NFHS manual.

In other words, follow the golden rule. He who has the gold.....


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