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Old Thu Feb 04, 2010, 06:29pm
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Old Thu Feb 04, 2010, 06:42pm
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T on the coach. Dead ball T on the player
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Old Thu Feb 04, 2010, 08:50pm
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Any relevance that the player was in the air in the act of shooting when the T is assessed? Is the situation really dead when the whistle is blown or is it dead when the try ends? Just wondering
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Old Thu Feb 04, 2010, 09:40pm
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We've discussed this video before. I'm sure that someone can locate the previous thread.
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Old Thu Feb 04, 2010, 10:44pm
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Any relevance that the player was in the air in the act of shooting when the T is assessed? Is the situation really dead when the whistle is blown or is it dead when the try ends? Just wondering
It depends. If he's the defensive coach, and the shooter has started his try, the ball isn't dead until the try is over. If he's the offensive coach, and the shot hasn't been released yet, it's dead immediately.
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Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 09:50am
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It depends. If he's the defensive coach, and the shooter has started his try, the ball isn't dead until the try is over. If he's the offensive coach, and the shot hasn't been released yet, it's dead immediately.
Is this right Snaq? I know cb play 9.13.1 is not exactly the same, it references swinging elbows by the offensive player, but wouldn't the same principle apply? Even if the shot is released in that play, if a teammate of the shooter swings the elbows the ball is dead immediately and you don't score the goal if it goes in. Looked for something similar for the play in OP, but the closest I can find is 10.4.1 sit E where it says "the whistle shall be sounded immediately when the unsporting act occurs" if committed by HC of offensive team - doesn't reference when the ball becomes dead, however. Without anything specific I would apply 9.13.1, although I'm sure someone will find something specific
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Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 10:07am
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It's a foul, not a violation. The rules are different regarding when a ball becomes dead. Violations cause the ball to become dead immediately, that's why the rules tell us to wait on defensive violations. Fouls do not cause the ball to become dead if the try is in flight. Look under live ball/dead ball rules.
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Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 10:15am
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It's a foul, not a violation. The rules are different regarding when a ball becomes dead. Violations cause the ball to become dead immediately, that's why the rules tell us to wait on defensive violations. Fouls do not cause the ball to become dead if the try is in flight. Look under live ball/dead ball rules.
You're right I was trying to glean too much from that specific case play, but it really is that simple.
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Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 10:29am
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Without anything specific I would apply 9.13.1, although I'm sure someone will find something specific
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Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 08:13pm
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We've discussed this video before. I'm sure that someone can locate the previous thread.
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Old Fri Feb 05, 2010, 10:00pm
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It depends. If he's the defensive coach, and the shooter has started his try, the ball isn't dead until the try is over. If he's the offensive coach, and the shot hasn't been released yet, it's dead immediately.
He's the offensive coach. You can see in the lower left corner a white jersey on a player for a split second.
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