PC or did the push cause it?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

You suggest both fouls be called? So we go double foul?

In that situation it would make most sense to go false double, though a case could also be made for simultaneous (approx. the same time).

The fouls weren't committed by opponents on each other, so double is out. I'd go false double. Shooter gets two throws for the foul in the act of shooting with the lane cleared, then B gets the ball for a throw-in from the spot nearest the PC foul.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I'd go false double. Shooter gets two throws for the foul in the act of shooting with the lane cleared, then B gets the ball for a throw-in from the spot nearest the PC foul.

Spot throw-in even if the second FT was made?

[deecee]

Officiating is more that the rulebook. Sometimes the rulebook and caseplays just dont pan out in real life. You can always be safe and follow them but in those cases you have to be aware of career advancement and what not.

Expectations and interpretations are somewhat different in different parts of the country. 90% of the time it helps to be black or white as an official, but 10% IS grey. That 10% includes a huge majority of Varsity and higher officials.

You can always quote the rule book and be right and officiate the game as such, but in reality you will the exception not the norm. In some cases being the exception is very good and will help, but these are few and far between rather than just because it is in the rulebook you SHOULD do it.

There is more judgement involved than just foul or no foul.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Spot throw-in even if the second FT was made?

Hmmm...hadn't processed that. Now that you've asked it seems the throw-in may be anywhere on the endline, but I'm still not 100% certain as the FTs seem separate from the enforcement of the second foul.

Just took a quick look at the casebook and couldn't find a good citation, but I'll keep looking.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Hmmm...hadn't processed that. Now that you've asked it seems the throw-in may be anywhere on the endline, but I'm still not 100% certain as the FTs seem separate from the enforcement of the second foul.

Just took a quick look at the casebook and couldn't find a good citation, but I'll keep looking.

Look at the one Slow Whistle already cited back on p.3.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Look at the one Slow Whistle already cited back on p.3.

Gracias. Glad to have that pointed out...the 'logic' part of my brain would have looked at the two events as separate and enforce the first (FTs), then the second (spot throw-in).

That's what I get for listening to myself.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Spot throw-in even if the second FT was made?

Correct. Each foul in a false double foul carries its own penalty and is administered in order of occurrence.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Correct. Each foul in a false double foul carries its own penalty and is administered in order of occurrence.

Allow me to re-phrase Jurassic's question:

Spot throw-in even if the second FT was made?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Correct.

Incorrect.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Incorrect.

I stand corrected.