Push causes travel?

[mplagrow]

Eighth grade girls' game. A1 grabs a defensive rebound and waits for the lane to clear. Meanwhile, B1 turns to head downcourt and bumps into A1, who is still holding the ball. I don't feel that the bump is enough to warrant a call, but A1 was slightly off balance. She almost regains balance, but stumbles forward and loses footing. Now it looks like a travel, but it was caused by the initial bump. So I got:

A) a pushing foul by B and a late whistle

B) a travel by A

or

C) no call

Maybe you had to see it, but I bet other guys have had similar ones. I had no call, and coach starts yelling for travel. I said, 'Yeah, but your girl pushed her,' but then it sounds weak because I didn't call it. I don't think he would've appreciated a late foul whistle either. Anyone else?

[canuckrefguy]

As that hip British chef Jamie Oliver always, says....

This one's "easy peasy".

Call nothing, unless A1 falls down or takes four steps to re-gain her balance.

If coach complains, quietly remind him that his player just away with a foul.

If A1 falls, or REALLY travels badly, call the pushing foul.

DO NOT, for God's sake, call a travel

[theshortbaldref]

Of course, we'd have to see it for ourselves, but it sounds like you ruled the contact was incidental in nature, though the result was a violation. There couldn't be a no-call since there was a violation. A late whistle for a pushing foul would get you a pocket full of coach, though it might be correct. If the travel occurred within a second or so of the bump, do the right thing. If B is already at halfcourt, Miss A gets the ticket. A's coach seeks anger management.

[just another ref]

I have no problem with a late whistle in a case like this.
This is a very good example of advantage/disadvantage. If, in your judgment, the bump caused the travel, the ballhandler was put at a disadvantage. Then, if the same 2 players bump in the same way later, but with no travel, it is perfectly all right to call the contact incidental and play on.

[Blackhawk357]

Originally posted by just another ref
I have no problem with a late whistle in a case like this.
This is a very good example of advantage/disadvantage. If, in your judgment, the bump caused the travel, the ballhandler was put at a disadvantage. Then, if the same 2 players bump in the same way later, but with no travel, it is perfectly all right to call the contact incidental and play on.

I believe this just about covers it. If it's a travel you can't get away with passing on, it has to be a push, late.

Blackhawk

[tharbert]

Call the late foul! This is nothing more than allowing the play to develop instead of blowing a quick whistle. I commend your effort to avoid the ticky-tack foul and the fact that you had the entire play. I agree with da canuck - never blow a travel when this happens. If it's obvious B1 caused the violation through contact, penalize the contact. The coach will know exactly what happened and I doubt anyone will say a word.

The players may even take a little more care in transition not to have a scrum next time down the floor.

[Ref in PA]

Originally posted by theshortbaldref
Of course, we'd have to see it for ourselves, but it sounds like you ruled the contact was incidental in nature, though the result was a violation. There couldn't be a no-call since there was a violation. A late whistle for a pushing foul would get you a pocket full of coach, though it might be correct. If the travel occurred within a second or so of the bump, do the right thing. If B is already at halfcourt, Miss A gets the ticket. A's coach seeks anger management.

In my book, the contact is not "incidental" if it knocks the ball holder off balance enough to commit a traveling violation. Blow the whistle for the foul.

[rainmaker]

For me, it would depend on the magnitude and visibility of the travel. If there are still several girls around, and it's just a shuffle that no one can see, skip it. If it's just the bumper and the bumpee, and she takes a couple of huge steps, gotta call the foul. Like our distinguished brother from Canada said, "Do NOT...call a travel!"