Defender counting out loud during inbound

[twing1115]

I started out as a college assistant for 5 years and am currently coaching high school. I got this idea after attending a coaching clinic hosted by the late Skip Prosser at Wake Forest when he was speaking about his full court pressure philosophy. When my local official respectfully told me that I could not do this following half time I respectfully asked him why and we simply chatted for a minute. I told my guys to stop and they did. Would it change anything if prior to the game I adressed this with the officail and told them my intent. Personally my feeling is that an official shouln't worry about looking like an azzhole to the crowd. Remember I am an umpire and have taken a ton of you know what when calling balls and strikes from the crowd and never once has it bothered me or influenced the way I make calls.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by twing1115

I started out as a college assistant for 5 years and am currently coaching high school. I got this idea after attending a coaching clinic hosted by the late Skip Prosser at Wake Forest when he was speaking about his full court pressure philosophy. When my local official respectfully told me that I could not do this following half time I respectfully asked him why and we simply chatted for a minute. I told my guys to stop and they did. Would it change anything if prior to the game I adressed this with the officail and told them my intent. Personally my feeling is that an official shouln't worry about looking like an azzhole to the crowd. Remember I am an umpire and have taken a ton of you know what when calling balls and strikes from the crowd and never once has it bothered me or influenced the way I make calls.

The way I look at it: Your team is allowed to act like your team (making defensive calls when on defense and offensive calls when on offense). You wouldn't be allowed to, for example, have one of your players stand near the opposing bench and call "motion" when your team was on defense, or have one of your players yell "screen right" to the opposing point guard when your point guard was bringing the ball up the court (and took advantage of the hedging move the other guard made when hearing the call).

Nor are you allowed to make official calls. Yes, sometime you (or many) call "3 seconds" or "5 seconds" or "travel." But, if those calls are all the time, they get shut down, too.

[twing1115]

Really. Until I read "hanging on the rim" I figured it was a girls team. In my experience they're the only ones who yell and talk the whole game. Boys teams usually just play basketball.

Not sure who your reffing. What about teams that play a match-up zone? Is it girly for them to talk? Should players be silent on screens? Every coach in america has there team talking in practice when they are doing shell defense. Every sucessful trapping team must talk in transition to scramble for match-ups. If your going to practice that way why wouldn't you play that way?

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by twing1115

If your going to practice that way why wouldn't you play that way?

Because it's annoying?

[jdw3018]

As opposed to some of the posts, I've got no problem at all with the talking. Lots of talking is fine. It's your and your team's prerogative.

However, if that talking goes from communicating into unsporting acts, expect it to be enforced. And every official has slightly different judgement on what's unsporting, so if one tells you to cut something out, I'd listen.

[twing1115]

So you've already showed your hand and know nothing about how the game is played. As a professional your best response is that its annoying.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by twing1115

So you've already showed your hand and know nothing about how the game is played. As a professional your best response is that its annoying.

Wow, you must really be an amazing coach if you can gauge my skills as an official just by a few message board posts....

[Rich]

Originally Posted by twing1115

Not sure who your reffing. What about teams that play a match-up zone? Is it girly for them to talk? Should players be silent on screens? Every coach in america has there team talking in practice when they are doing shell defense. Every sucessful trapping team must talk in transition to scramble for match-ups. If your going to practice that way why wouldn't you play that way?

I'm talking about the "only for distraction" "BALL BALL BALL BALL" idiocy. I'm not talking about complete silence.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I'm talking about the "only for distraction" "BALL BALL BALL BALL" idiocy. I'm not talking about complete silence.

My least favorite is "DIG DIG DIG DIG DIG DIG!!!"

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by twing1115

Not sure who your reffing. What about teams that play a match-up zone? Is it girly for them to talk? Should players be silent on screens? Every coach in america has there team talking in practice when they are doing shell defense. Every sucessful trapping team must talk in transition to scramble for match-ups. If your going to practice that way why wouldn't you play that way?

I think Rich meant that screaming at opponents during traps, dead balls and throw-ins ("BALL, BALL, BALL!") is classically a girls ball tactic. I would agree. Of course good defense needs communication in the scenarios you mentioned above. These are two different things.

Edit: Rich clarified this while I was typing my response. Redundant.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

I think Rich meant that screaming at opponents during traps, dead balls and throw-ins ("BALL, BALL, BALL!") is classically a girls ball tactic. I would agree. Of course good defense needs communication in the scenarios you mentioned above. These are two different things.

Exactly.

Of course the coach would rather come on here and insinuate I know nothing about basketball even though he knows nothing at all about me.

In the situations where good communication is necessary, officials don't even notice. It's part of the game and blends right into the "beautiful noise" of the game itself.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Of course the coach would rather come on here and insinuate I know nothing about basketball even though he knows nothing at all about me.

Oh...well...I thought he was talking about me...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Oh...well...I thought he was talking about me...

Maybe he was. You know how thin-skinned we officials are.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Maybe he was. You know how thin-skinned we officials are.

Gee, I thought it was me....oh wait, I haven't posted in this thread yet..

[twing1115]

I think Rich meant that screaming at opponents during trap

I've been many DI, DII, DIII college games and the better teams are always talking. Especially in traps. Why? All in an attempt to raise the anxiety level in your opponent. Just like anything in life when anxiety is high people panic and make poor decisions. We like to cause panic. Thats why teams that play us turn the ball over 21 times per game and average more than two 5sec. violations per game.