Whose possession arrow is it?

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by rwest

Resist what temptation?

To...........use...............the...........book! !

[rwest]

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle

To...........use...............the...........book! !

And here I thought it was to make some smart alec comment directed at me. I must be paranoid, but that still doesn't mean someone's not out to get me!

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And Mr. Wellmer very specifically told you not to look it up in the rulebook.

Go to your room.

Now!

And no playing with anything. That includes yourself.

Bad, M&M.

Bad, bad M&M.

Ok, I'm in my room. When can come out for supper? (And yes, I know, I can probably afford to miss a supper, or 7.)

Btw, I did answer the question without looking it up. I just looked up the proper rules reference number after I posted.

So, nyeh nyeh.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rwest

And here I thought it was to make some smart alec comment directed at me. I must be paranoid, but that still doesn't mean someone's not out to get me!

Nope, not at all. Sorry. My opinion on the arrow is different from both the NFHS committee and the vast majority on this board.

Normally, I just follow the rules and keep my mouth shut, though.

M&M rewards me by not posting his Windmill pic.

[M&M Guy]

I would post a pic of a windmill, but I'm in my room and don't have access to a computer.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by Wellmer

AP arrow would stay where it is on a defensive violation such as a kicked ball on the inbounds throw, correct?

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Nope, not at all. Sorry. My opinion on the arrow is different from both the NFHS committee and the vast majority on this board.

Normally, I just follow the rules and keep my mouth shut, though.

M&M rewards me by not posting his Windmill pic.

I hope I'm not opening a can of night crawlers but what is your opinion on the arrow and how does if differ from the majority opinion?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rwest

I hope I'm not opening a can of night crawlers but what is your opinion on the arrow and how does if differ from the majority opinion?

My opinion is that the arrow has done its job once the thrower has been handed the ball. I would rather see it so the arrow's only job is start the throwin, not give a complete throwin; it would change as soon as it's handed to the thrower.

Anything that happens during the throwin (fouls, violations, etc) are a result of that throwin, so the arrow has already had its effect on the game.

That said, the committee (and most here agree) believe the throwin team should get a complete throwin; therefore fouls committed during the throwin result in the arrow not switching.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I would post a pic of a windmill, but I'm in my room and don't have access to a computer.

Thank the Lord for small favors.

[Welpe]

This should do the trick...

[Upward ref]

Originally Posted by rwest

The AP throwin ends when the throwin ends or when the team violates. Team A violated, therefore the throwin ended and the arrow is switched to team B. Team B also gets a throwin.

The only way to lose the AP arrow is on an AP throw in , correct ?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

The only way to lose the AP arrow is on an AP throw in , correct ?

correct

[representing]

Originally Posted by Wellmer

Here's a scenario for you, let's hear the answer without looking it up in the rule book first.

Jump ball. AP arrow belongs to Team A. They are taking the ball out of bounds. Can't get the ball inbounds in the allowed 5 second time frame which now gives possession to Team B. What happens to the AP arrow? Team A or Team B?

If you have a violation, you lose the ball and the arrow. So Team B is given the ball OOB and the arrow is switched once the ball is at the disposal of the Throw-in player.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by representing

If you have a violation, you lose the ball and the arrow. So Team B is given the ball OOB and the arrow is switched once the ball is at the disposal of the Throw-in player.

Close, but not quite. Read the part where it says when the arrow gets switched.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yes, the arrow stays when the defense commits a violation before the throw-in ends. This would apply to DOG violations as well.

Also, a foul by either team would leave the arrow in place.

If A committed a defensive violation on the throw-in by kicking, would B's throw-in now be from the spot of the violation?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

If A committed a defensive violation on the throw-in by kicking, would B's throw-in now be from the spot of the violation?

Yes, following the usual rule for violations.