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Wellmer Mon Jan 18, 2010 03:35pm

Whose possession arrow is it?
 
Here's a scenario for you, let's hear the answer without looking it up in the rule book first.

Jump ball. AP arrow belongs to Team A. They are taking the ball out of bounds. Can't get the ball inbounds in the allowed 5 second time frame which now gives possession to Team B. What happens to the AP arrow? Team A or Team B?

grunewar Mon Jan 18, 2010 03:40pm

I believe this is one of those weird one's where team B get's the ball on the violation and they also gain the AP arrow and get the next held ball/jump ball too.

M&M Guy Mon Jan 18, 2010 03:42pm

Violation by the throw-team, so team B gets the throw-in for the violation, and the arrow changes to team B as well.

rwest Mon Jan 18, 2010 03:43pm

Team B
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wellmer (Post 652853)
Here's a scenario for you, let's hear the answer without looking it up in the rule book first.

Jump ball. AP arrow belongs to Team A. They are taking the ball out of bounds. Can't get the ball inbounds in the allowed 5 second time frame which now gives possession to Team B. What happens to the AP arrow? Team A or Team B?

The AP throwin ends when the throwin ends or when the team violates. Team A violated, therefore the throwin ended and the arrow is switched to team B. Team B also gets a throwin.

M&M Guy Mon Jan 18, 2010 03:43pm

(This part I looked up: 6-4-4.)

rwest Mon Jan 18, 2010 03:45pm

Its not weird.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 652855)
I believe this is one of those weird one's where team B get's the ball on the violation and they also gain the AP arrow and get the next held ball/jump ball too.

That always happens when the throwin team violates on an AP throwin.

Adam Mon Jan 18, 2010 03:52pm

Must.....resist.....temptation.....

rwest Mon Jan 18, 2010 03:54pm

Resist?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 652865)
Must.....resist.....temptation.....

Resist what temptation?

Wellmer Mon Jan 18, 2010 03:59pm

AP arrow would stay where it is on a defensive violation such as a kicked ball on the inbounds throw, correct?

rwest Mon Jan 18, 2010 04:02pm

Correct
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wellmer (Post 652868)
AP arrow would stay where it is on a defensive violation such as a kicked ball on the inbounds throw, correct?

If the defensive team violates such as a kicked ball then the arrow stays and the resulting throwin is not an AP throwin. It's a throwin for the violation. The previous AP throwin never was completed. That's why the team retains the arrow.

Adam Mon Jan 18, 2010 04:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wellmer (Post 652868)
AP arrow would stay where it is on a defensive violation such as a kicked ball on the inbounds throw, correct?

Yes, the arrow stays when the defense commits a violation before the throw-in ends. This would apply to DOG violations as well.

Also, a foul by either team would leave the arrow in place.

Welpe Mon Jan 18, 2010 04:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wellmer (Post 652853)
Here's a scenario for you, let's hear the answer without looking it up in the rule book first.

Jump ball. AP arrow belongs to Team A. They are taking the ball out of bounds. Can't get the ball inbounds in the allowed 5 second time frame which now gives possession to Team B. What happens to the AP arrow? Team A or Team B?

Without looking at the other posts, the violation by A causes them to lose the arrow. So B would get the throw-in for the violation and the arrow would be switched as well.

Jurassic Referee Mon Jan 18, 2010 04:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 652859)
(This part I looked up: 6-4-4.)

And Mr. Wellmer very specifically told you not to look it up in the rulebook.

Go to your room.

Now!

And no playing with anything. That includes yourself.

Bad, M&M.

Bad, bad M&M.:mad:

Adam Mon Jan 18, 2010 04:39pm

"Well, if it isn't our old, mangy, transient grandfather." Texas Ranger Bobby

Wellmer Mon Jan 18, 2010 04:53pm

Just like a lot of coaches, they just won't listen. Just kiddin' :D


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