Is this a travel?

[smginnis]

I'm doing this sans book, so I'm sure I'm up for correction, but..

When a player in possession of the ball picks up his pivot foot, he must pass or shoot prior to putting the pivot foot back to the floor... Dropping the ball to himself is not one of the two, so its a travel.

Don't have the book to quote, but it does matter if the defender touches it. I'm sure the offensive player can even throw the ball at the defender on purpose, much like one might experience on inbound (though this might result in a T). Is there any provisions that prohibit the offensive player from throwing the ball against a defensive player on purpose? I think its a deflected pass, intentional or not.

[Adam]

smginnis, that's how I'd rule it. A defender touching the ball in this case effectively ends player control and the would-be shooter gets a fresh start.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

smginnis, that's how I'd rule it. A defender touching the ball in this case effectively ends player control and the would-be shooter gets a fresh start.

A touch by the defender does not automatically end player control.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

A touch by the defender does not automatically end player control.

True, but a defender touching a ball that is not in the control of someone does, IMO. Unless you can show me where the rules say definitively otherwise on this play.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

True, but a defender touching a ball that is not in the control of someone does, IMO. Unless you can show me where the rules say definitively otherwise on this play.

I was looking at the OP. In the case of the block attempt, if the defender touched the ball, which was then subsequently dropped by the shooter, as opposed to knocked free, this would be a travel.

In this second play, if the throw was not a bullet aimed at the defender's, uh, vulnerable areas, I guess we just rule it to be an errant pass and play on.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I was looking at the OP. In the case of the block attempt, if the defender touched the ball, which was then subsequently dropped by the shooter, as opposed to knocked free, this would be a travel.

In this second play, if the throw was not a bullet aimed at the defender's, uh, vulnerable areas, I guess we just rule it to be an errant pass and play on.

I was reading the OP differently. A1 jumps, sees it's going to be blocked, and drops the ball. The ball then touches or is touched by B1. A1 then retrieves it.