Here's one for the newbies

[Upward ref]

Originally Posted by tjones1

No, if a second free throw followed (i.e. not a bonus situation) you'd just move to the second free throw and continue from there. Is that what you are asking?

let me break down my reasoning, might be less confusing . A1 and B1 both violating make it an AP arrow situation.
if another free throw(or 2) was coming ,they are administered first and then you still have to go to the AP arrow after the FT(s) . thus clearing the lane as there will be no rebounding anyway .
if A1 were to miss the rim again, then ball to B for a throw in ,no Ap situation . I definitely think these might be the correct answers !

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

let me break down my reasoning, might be less confusing . A1 and B1 both violating make it an AP arrow situation.
if another free throw(or 2) was coming ,they are administered first and then you still have to go to the AP arrow after the FT(s) . thus clearing the lane as there will be no rebounding anyway .
if A1 were to miss the rim again, then ball to B for a throw in ,no Ap situation . I definitely think these might be the correct answers !

6.4.3 Situation A
B1, in a marked lane space, enters the lane prematurely. The administering official properly signals the violation and A1 attempts the free throw. However, A1's attempt doese not enter the basket or touch the ring.

RULING: The violations by B1 and A1 constitute a simultaneous free-throw violation. Unless another free throw follows, play resumes with an alternating-possession throw-in from a designated spot outside the end line.

[Upward ref]

Originally Posted by tjones1

6.4.3 Situation A
B1, in a marked lane space, enters the lane prematurely. The administering official properly signals the violation and A1 attempts the free throw. However, A1's attempt doese not enter the basket or touch the ring.

RULING: The violations by B1 and A1 constitute a simultaneous free-throw violation. Unless another free throw follows, play resumes with an alternating-possession throw-in from a designated spot outside the end line.

so it doesn't matter if more ft's follow, it's still going to the ap arrow after that ? if so then why not clear the lane of everybody but A1? and if A1 misses the rim again, ball to B ?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

so it doesn't matter if more ft's follow, it's still going to the ap arrow after that ? if so then why not clear the lane of everybody but A1? and if A1 misses the rim again, ball to B ?

Where did you get that? It explicitly does matter if more FTs follow. Just shoot the next free throw with everyone on the lane and play on.

[tjones1]

B1, in a marked lane space, enters the lane prematurely. The administering official properly signals the violation and A1 attempts (a) the first free throw of a 1&1 (b) the 1st free throw of a 2 shot foul (c) the 2nd free throw of a 2 shot foul. However, in all situations, A1's attempt does not enter the basket or touch the ring.

Rulings:

Situation A: Cancel the attempt and resume play with the AP.

Situation B: Cancel the attempt and administer the 2nd free throw. Play will resume from here. I.e. if good, throw-in for Team B; on a miss Team A/B may get the rebound, etc.

Situation C: Cancel the attempt and resume play with the AP.

Does this help?

[Upward ref]

Originally Posted by tjones1

B1, in a marked lane space, enters the lane prematurely. The administering official properly signals the violation and A1 attempts (a) the first free throw of a 1&1 (b) the 1st free throw of a 2 shot foul (c) the 2nd free throw of a 2 shot foul the free throw. However, in all situations, A1's attempt does not enter the basket or touch the ring.

Rulings:

Situation A: Cancel the attempt and resume play with the AP.

Situation B: Cancel the attempt and administer the 2nd free throw. Play will resume from here. I.e. if good, throw-in for Team B; on a miss Team A/B may get the rebound, etc.

Situation C: Cancel the attempt and resume play with the AP
.

Does this help?

Yes, I finally got it ! Thanks. <><

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

so it doesn't matter if more ft's follow, it's still going to the ap arrow after that ? if so then why not clear the lane of everybody but A1? and if A1 misses the rim again, ball to B ?

Note that it says "unless another freethrow follows...."

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

let me break down my reasoning, might be less confusing . A1 and B1 both violating make it an AP arrow situation.
if another free throw(or 2) was coming ,they are administered first and then you still have to go to the AP arrow after the FT(s) . thus clearing the lane as there will be no rebounding anyway .
if A1 were to miss the rim again, then ball to B for a throw in ,no Ap situation . I definitely think these might be the correct answers !

While it's not exactly a POI situation, that's basically how I think of it. You have a simultaneous violation which ends the current free throw attempt. You then have to go to the "next" thing. If there's another free throw, that's next. If there's not another free throw, you obviously have to get the game started with a throw in. The only way to determine who is entitled to the throw in is to go to the arrow.

One of the differences from a true POI situation is that the simultaneous violations could occur while the shooting team is in control of the ball, but that doesn't matter.

[Upward ref]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

While it's not exactly a POI situation, that's basically how I think of it. You have a simultaneous violation which ends the current free throw attempt. You then have to go to the "next" thing. If there's another free throw, that's next. If there's not another free throw, you obviously have to get the game started with a throw in. The only way to determine who is entitled to the throw in is to go to the arrow.

One of the differences from a true POI situation is that the simultaneous violations could occur while the shooting team is in control of the ball, but that doesn't matter.

I'm not fully understanding the whole POI thing yet ,hopefully another thread may help. but right now i want to know about the additional FT . After that are we still going with the AP arrow ? and if so ;why have 6 guys in marked lane spaces ?
And next; if the thrower A1 violates again( miss the rim, foot in the lane etc..) that violation negates the AP arrow and ball to B ?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

I'm not fully understanding the whole POI thing yet ,hopefully another thread may help. but right now i want to know about the additional FT . After that are we still going with the AP arrow ? and if so ;why have 6 guys in marked lane spaces ?
And next; if the thrower A1 violates again( miss the rim, foot in the lane etc..) that violation negates the AP arrow and ball to B ?

If there is another free throw, we ARE NOT going to the A/P arrow. We are just going to resume play with the next free throw.

We only go to the arrow if there is NOT another free throw.

[Upward ref]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

If there is another free throw, we ARE NOT going to the A/P arrow. We are just going to resume play with the next free throw.

We only go to the arrow if there is NOT another free throw.

O K , I did note the "unless " but wasn't sure how to interpret it , the easiest way might have been best ! some of you guys were obviously trying to tell me, thanks