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Old Thu Jan 14, 2010, 01:58pm
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No, if a second free throw followed (i.e. not a bonus situation) you'd just move to the second free throw and continue from there. Is that what you are asking?
let me break down my reasoning, might be less confusing . A1 and B1 both violating make it an AP arrow situation.
if another free throw(or 2) was coming ,they are administered first and then you still have to go to the AP arrow after the FT(s) . thus clearing the lane as there will be no rebounding anyway .
if A1 were to miss the rim again, then ball to B for a throw in ,no Ap situation . I definitely think these might be the correct answers !
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Old Thu Jan 14, 2010, 02:03pm
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let me break down my reasoning, might be less confusing . A1 and B1 both violating make it an AP arrow situation.
if another free throw(or 2) was coming ,they are administered first and then you still have to go to the AP arrow after the FT(s) . thus clearing the lane as there will be no rebounding anyway .
if A1 were to miss the rim again, then ball to B for a throw in ,no Ap situation . I definitely think these might be the correct answers !
6.4.3 Situation A
B1, in a marked lane space, enters the lane prematurely. The administering official properly signals the violation and A1 attempts the free throw. However, A1's attempt doese not enter the basket or touch the ring.

RULING: The violations by B1 and A1 constitute a simultaneous free-throw violation. Unless another free throw follows, play resumes with an alternating-possession throw-in from a designated spot outside the end line.
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Old Thu Jan 14, 2010, 02:42pm
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let me break down my reasoning, might be less confusing . A1 and B1 both violating make it an AP arrow situation.
if another free throw(or 2) was coming ,they are administered first and then you still have to go to the AP arrow after the FT(s) . thus clearing the lane as there will be no rebounding anyway .
if A1 were to miss the rim again, then ball to B for a throw in ,no Ap situation . I definitely think these might be the correct answers !
While it's not exactly a POI situation, that's basically how I think of it. You have a simultaneous violation which ends the current free throw attempt. You then have to go to the "next" thing. If there's another free throw, that's next. If there's not another free throw, you obviously have to get the game started with a throw in. The only way to determine who is entitled to the throw in is to go to the arrow.

One of the differences from a true POI situation is that the simultaneous violations could occur while the shooting team is in control of the ball, but that doesn't matter.
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Old Wed Jan 13, 2010, 01:06pm
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My answer was going to be.....

6-4-5(c) An alternating possession throw-in shall result when:
(c) Simultaneous floor or free-throw violations occur.


...it still is even though a newbie with 1,700+ posts gave us the answer.

Mark: Maybe you could set some parameters as to who qualifies as a newbie the next time you post one of your "newbies only" situations. Gee Welpe, give us a chance. Us newbies have a difficult enough time following the complicated sitchs that are posted and debated by you experienced vets. Mark is trying to help us out here to see if we're actually learning something about the rules and how to properly apply them in a game sitch.
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Old Wed Jan 13, 2010, 01:10pm
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Gee Welpe, give us a chance.
Though I am honored that you consider me a veteran, of my 1700+ posts, almost all of them, prior to this basketball season were in the baseball, football and softball forums.

You actually have been officiating basketball for longer than I have. Despite that fact, I decided to delete my original post (before you responded). Sorry for any inconvenience I might've caused.
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Old Wed Jan 13, 2010, 01:19pm
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Though I am honored that you consider me a veteran, of my 1700+ posts, almost all of them, prior to this basketball season were in the baseball, football and softball forums.

You actually have been officiating basketball for longer than I have. Despite that fact, I decided to delete my original post (before you responded). Sorry for any inconvenience I might've caused.
This was my bad, as I "assumed" Welpe was a basketball vet, and this apparently is not the case.

So, welcome Newbie!
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Old Wed Jan 13, 2010, 10:15pm
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Though I am honored that you consider me a veteran, of my 1700+ posts, almost all of them, prior to this basketball season were in the baseball, football and softball forums.

You actually have been officiating basketball for longer than I have. Despite that fact, I decided to delete my original post (before you responded). Sorry for any inconvenience I might've caused.
Sorry Welpe....my bad.
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Old Thu Jan 14, 2010, 08:37am
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Air balling a free throw is a violation, what is the signal? I always see the Officials do the finger pointed in the air twirl.
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Old Thu Jan 14, 2010, 08:43am
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Air balling a free throw is a violation, what is the signal? I always see the Officials do the finger pointed in the air twirl.
Just raise the open hand, air up the whistle, point to the spot of the violation (I just point towards the rim), then point to the spot for the throw-in.
Everyone knows it missed the rim.
The inverted toilet swirl, until it becomes approved, is ridiculous. Probably will be ridiculous if it does become approved.
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Old Thu Jan 14, 2010, 10:20am
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Sorry Welpe....my bad.
No worries, I understand why you thought that.
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Well then, that's different! Drive on! My bad.
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