First time, and it happened twice

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Allow them to check-in, but not permit them to enter the game.

If the coach causes a fuss about it, call an official over. More than likely the official will ask you if the sub checked in before the warning horn...all ya gotta say is no and the official should take care of it.

So does this mean having a copy of the rule in case this does happen, handy?

This way the coach can't say anything?

[representing]

Originally Posted by chseagle

So does this mean having a copy of the rule in case this does happen, handy?

This way the coach can't say anything?

Not necessary. The official can handle it in this situation once you call one over to the table.

EDIT: to continue, if the coach disagrees with the ruling and thinks the official is wrong, tough luck. I would tell the coach that he can disagree all he wants, but it is in the rule book and that he should look it up after the game. In PA, all coaches receive a copy of the rule book and case book, or are supposed to as per PIAA's requirements. Whether they read it or not, that's up to them.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by representing

Not necessary. The official can handle it in this situation once you call one over to the table.

I was asking about having a copy handy, as it seems that, especially in my case, the scorers I work with have no or little understanding of the rules except for what they need to do & nothing more.

[representing]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I was asking about having a copy handy, as it seems that, especially in my case, the scorers I work with have no or little understanding of the rules except for what they need to do & nothing more.

Well, if you do that, then it would be fine by me. But I would NEVER open up a rulebook during a game, even if a coach said "hey, there's a rulebook, prove it to me". How ugly would that look to all the players, fans, coaches, administrators, etc.?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by representing

Well, if you do that, then it would be fine by me. But I would NEVER open up a rulebook during a game, even if a coach said "hey, there's a rulebook, prove it to me". How ugly would that look to all the players, fans, coaches, administrators, etc.?

I wasn't meaning having a full rulebook there at the table.

Have a copy of the rule there, like the shot clock instructions I keep with me that I copied from the internet.

[representing]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I wasn't meaning having a full rulebook there at the table.

Have a copy of the rule there, like the shot clock instructions I keep with me that I copied from the internet.

You should copy NFHS 2-11, 2-12 and 2-13 in that case. Pretty much everything else in the rulebook is up to the referee to enforce.

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I was asking about having a copy handy, as it seems that, especially in my case, the scorers I work with have no or little understanding of the rules except for what they need to do & nothing more.

Shoot, sounds like your talking about fans now!!

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle

Shoot, sounds like your talking about fans now!!

In some cases, the person choosen to be scorer basically is a fan.

Considering the personnel I work with when I'm doing scoreboard/timer, for JV & C-Sqaud, don't seem to know the meaning of being neutral while at the table.

Thankfully, when I'm doing shot clock Varsity the table presonnel are neutral to every extent.

[representing]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Thankfully, when I'm doing shot clock Varsity the table presonnel are neutral to every extent.

Which is a good thing. The officials have the power to have a table personnel removed and replaced if he/she feels the table personnel is not cooperating with the officials in the way that they need to be as per Rules 2-11, 2-12 and 2-13.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Considering the personnel I work with when I'm doing scoreboard/timer, for JV & C-Sqaud, don't seem to know the meaning of being neutral while at the table.

Accept that in many areas, including, it seems, yours, the "administrative rules" are more loosely enforced at lower levels.

If you are working the table (one of the "official" positions), then tell the sub that s/he can't enter. If you aren't working the table, then leave it up to those who are and the game officials.