Uniform question

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

As far as I know, the only restrictions on the shorts themselves have to do with logos (NFHS 3-4-5):

ART. 5 . . . Uniform pants/skirts shall adhere to the following:
a. Only one visible manufacturer’s logo/trademark/reference is permitted. See 3-6-2 for size requirements.

As for jerseys having to match, here's the skinny on that (NFHS 3-4-1):

ART. 1 . . . Team jersey color and design shall adhere to the following:
a. The torso of the team jersey shall be the same single solid color for all team members.

Generally though, aren't the uniform rules more strictly enforced for Varsity Contests?

How strict should the rules be for Sub-Varsity Sqauds?

Last year there were a few times, where a Varsity Player played a quarter of JV, wearing the Varsity White home jersey, yet the JV Home Jersey was another light color.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Generally though, aren't the uniform rules more strictly enforced for Varsity Contests?

How strict should the rules be for Sub-Varsity Sqauds?

Last year there were a few times, where a Varsity Player played a quarter of JV, wearing the Varsity White home jersey, yet the JV Home Jersey was another light color.

BITS cited the uniform rule on shorts. The OP had nothing to do with logos. And as noted, the officials in the OP decided to be the uniform police and were dead solid wrong.

Sub varsity/JV etc.-check local listings. Where I am, do to budget issues, the fact that V players will also play some sub V/JV etc., we are directed to not be the uniform police at this level. Jersey torsos same color, no duplicate #'s (we use tape to make corrections).....we're good to go.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

BITS cited the uniform rule on shorts. The OP had nothing to do with logos. And as noted, the officials in the OP decided to be the uniform police and were dead solid wrong.

Sub varsity/JV etc.-check local listings. Where I am, do to budget issues, the fact that V players will also play some sub V/JV etc., we are directed to not be the uniform police at this level. Jersey torsos same color, no duplicate #'s (we use tape to make corrections).....we're good to go.

In my posting however, I mentioned that the Varsity player was wearing the Home White, while the JV Home was wearing their home jersey, but it was of another color. So in that case the jersey torsos were not of the same color.

Budget does have something to do with how many players suit up, but school size also is a consideration.

Concerning the shorts issue, I was just mentioning that in the case book about the logos cause of not being within the specifications for the sizing. But then on the logo sizes, how many officials carry tape measures with them & check every player's uniform before they play?

[ref3808]

that the officials came up a little "short" on this one. Guess their call was a stretch?

Geez, common sense would tell you that for any high school these days the uniform budget is probably near the bottom of the priorities. I think at our local high school they are using three generations of uniforms to outfit the three teams (F, JV, V).

Don't we have enough to watch without creating added uniform issues by rewriting the rule book.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Sub varsity/JV etc.-check local listings. Where I am, do to budget issues, the fact that V players will also play some sub V/JV etc., we are directed to not be the uniform police at this level. Jersey torsos same color, no duplicate #'s (we use tape to make corrections).....we're good to go.

JVB game last year. H JV's were wearing "hand-me-down" V jerseys. They were so big the JV boys could hardly keep their pants up and shirts tucked in.....not only did it look really bad, it also helped lead to a sloppy game.

[mbyron]

Anybody know what the word 'uniform' means?

We often see JV players who are playing up but don't have a V uniform. No big deal. :shrug:

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Generally though, aren't the uniform rules more strictly enforced for Varsity Contests?

How strict should the rules be for Sub-Varsity Sqauds?

Last year there were a few times, where a Varsity Player played a quarter of JV, wearing the Varsity White home jersey, yet the JV Home Jersey was another light color.

I'd allow it, applying the same rationale as the "blood on the jersey, and no replacement available" case play.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'd allow it, applying the same rationale as the "blood on the jersey, and no replacement available" case play.

And that case and its rationale, for those following along at home, is this: "B1 is directed to leave the game because of excessive blood on his/her uniform shirt. Team B’s manager has failed to pack any extra shirts. (a) The coach asks one of the substitutes to give his/her shirt to B1; or (b) Team A is able to find a shirt which B1 can wear even though it is not exactly the same color or style of the Team B shirts. The shirt will however, clearly identify B1 as a member of Team B and will not be confusing to either team or the officials. RULING: Acceptable procedure in both (a) and (b). In both situations the scorer will make necessary changes in the scorebook without penalty. COMMENT: The spirit and intent of the rule is to do everything possible to allow the player to use a different shirt and return without penalty. However, identical numbers shall not be allowed on the same team." (NFHS 3.3.7 A)

[Back In The Saddle]

I would suggest that the rule itself may allow for a team's jerseys to be different shades of the same color.

"The torso of the team jersey shall be the same single solid color for all team members."

It comes down to how you define "single solid color". Let's ignore solid for the moment. What is a single color? Is blue a color, or is that too broad? Is navy blue a color, or is that too broad? Are we talking a single swatch from the Pantone color chart?

I submit the answer is somewhere in between blue and PMS 286 and that "pretty close" is close enough to actually comply with the rule and eliminates the need for any hand wringing.

[ref3808]

ALL men see in only 16 colors, like Windows default settings. Peach, for example, is a fruit, not A color. Pumpkin is also a fruit. We have no idea what Mauve is.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by ref3808

ALL men see in only 16 colors, like Windows default settings. Peach, for example, is a fruit, not A color. Pumpkin is also a fruit. We have no idea what Mauve is.

ROFL

As I recall, however, the default 16 colors included several light and dark shade color pairs (e.g., white/gray, blue/light blue, red/magenta, etc.). And by that very colorful (pun intended) logic, I think my assertion stands. For example, any shade of blue that isn't obviously light blue, is blue.

[ref3808]

I don't think the lighting in most gyms is good enough for me to discern navy blue from blue. Heck the coach from my last game clearly thought my eyes were bad anyway.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

ROFL

As I recall, however, the default 16 colors included several light and dark shade color pairs (e.g., white/gray, blue/light blue, red/magenta, etc.). And by that very colorful (pun intended) logic, I think my assertion stands. For example, any shade of blue that isn't obviously light blue, is blue.

I use the same logic for this as I do for the headband color:

I only had the box of 8 Crayola (tm) crayons in kindergarden, not the box of 64 with the fancy crayon sharpener on the side. I "assign" all the colors of the uniforms and headbands to one of those 8 colors. If all get the same "assignment" then they match.

I worry about "blue" (not sky blue, navy blue, light blue, blue-green, turquoise, et) and "black" (not silver, grey)

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I would suggest that the rule itself may allow for a team's jerseys to be different shades of the same color.

"The torso of the team jersey shall be the same single solid color for all team members."

It comes down to how you define "single solid color". Let's ignore solid for the moment. What is a single color? Is blue a color, or is that too broad? Is navy blue a color, or is that too broad? Are we talking a single swatch from the Pantone color chart?

I submit the answer is somewhere in between blue and PMS 286 and that "pretty close" is close enough to actually comply with the rule and eliminates the need for any hand wringing.

So do you carry your own personal PMS book with you to check out the different shades? A mention of the Pantone Matching System and uniform colors are in the same sentence. Wow, who know? I'm impressed!