Coaches questioning table crew

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm at a loss to see how the coach calling for a violation prevented the operator from resetting the clock.

Yelling right in their ear as the play is happening, by standing right next to the table, instead of being within the coaches box.

Also throughout the game, the coach was trying to tell the shot clock operator how to do things.

As I mentioned in the earlier post, the coach was yelling at the officials that the violation happened, even though it was her team who had the rebound off the air ball (Team control had switched) as the shot clock horn was sounding. The Shot Clock Operator was in the process of resetting the shot clock when this happened, in turn not allowing the shot clock operator to complete their duties.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Yelling right in their ear as the play is happening, by standing right next to the table, instead of being within the coaches box.

Also throughout the game, the coach was trying to tell the shot clock operator how to do things.

Where's crowd control when you really need 'em?

[Forksref]

Many years ago I was part of a 4-man crew at a game in Fremont, OH. We'd send 4 guys out and I was one of the 2 JV guys. That was how we broke in new guys. We were watching the varsity game when the visiting coach went to the table and grabbed the scorer by his tie and pulled him across the table and chewed him out. It was one of the wildest things I've ever seen at a game. Apparently the scorer was bad-mouthing the visiting players as they reported to check in. The varsity guys T'd up the coach and the game went on. Obviously, things were a little tense after that incident.

When I was coaching, I had an incident where the home scorer (we were the visitors) did some talking to our players when they checked in. When I became aware of it, I told the scorer to knock it off. That ended it.

I think those who work at the table need to be reminded that they are officials and need to remain neutral.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Forksref

At a game in Fremont, OH. The visiting coach went to the table and grabbed the scorer by his tie and pulled him across the table and chewed him out.

I thought chseagle worked in Connell, Washington; not Fremont, Ohio.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I thought chseagle worked in Connell, Washington; not Fremont, Ohio.

And I think he's worked games at the Sam Houston Institute of Technology.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I thought chseagle worked in Connell, Washington; not Fremont, Ohio.

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

And I think he's worked games at the Sam Houston Institute of Technology.

I've only done anything table crew & crowd control wise in Washington State for High School Basketball.

That school must get dumped on alot with jokes.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by Forksref

Many years ago I was part of a 4-man crew at a game in Fremont, OH. We'd send 4 guys out and I was one of the 2 JV guys. That was how we broke in new guys. We were watching the varsity game when the visiting coach went to the table and grabbed the scorer by his tie and pulled him across the table and chewed him out. It was one of the wildest things I've ever seen at a game. Apparently the scorer was bad-mouthing the visiting players as they reported to check in. The varsity guys T'd up the coach and the game went on. Obviously, things were a little tense after that incident.

When I was coaching, I had an incident where the home scorer (we were the visitors) did some talking to our players when they checked in. When I became aware of it, I told the scorer to knock it off. That ended it.

I think those who work at the table need to be reminded that they are officials and need to remain neutral.

Sounds like an assault to me. I agree it would be wrong for table personnel to make comments to the players, but even if they did it doesn't justify a physical assault. The coach is lucky he didn't leave the gym in handcuffs.

Here it would be considered gross unsportsmanlike conduct - flagrant T/immediate ejection of the visiting coach, report to the state and very likely the end of his HS coaching career.

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Sounds like an assault to me. I agree it would be wrong for table personnel to make comments to the players, but even if they did it doesn't justify a physical assault. The coach is lucky he didn't leave the gym in handcuffs.

Here it would be considered gross unsportsmanlike conduct - flagrant T/immediate ejection of the visiting coach, report to the state and very likely the end of his HS coaching career.

This was over 30 years ago and I think things were a little bit more lax back then. Today, the coach would be gone, for possibly a career and the scorer would press charges.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Forksref

Many years ago I was part of a 4-man crew at a game in Fremont, OH. We'd send 4 guys out and I was one of the 2 JV guys. That was how we broke in new guys. We were watching the varsity game when the visiting coach went to the table and grabbed the scorer by his tie and pulled him across the table and chewed him out. It was one of the wildest things I've ever seen at a game. Apparently the scorer was bad-mouthing the visiting players as they reported to check in. The varsity guys T'd up the coach and the game went on. Obviously, things were a little tense after that incident.

When I was coaching, I had an incident where the home scorer (we were the visitors) did some talking to our players when they checked in. When I became aware of it, I told the scorer to knock it off. That ended it.

I think those who work at the table need to be reminded that they are officials and need to remain neutral.

I was keeping the book at an AAU tournament and the visitors scorer was all about cheering and booing. A foul was reported and I duly noted it, she thought the kid fouled out and the official came over to sort it out. I think my neutral stance went a long way toward the official going with my book. [I did not say anything to her although I sure wanted to. If you are going to keep the book, shut up about how Johnny is doing or who might be fouling him.]

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Yelling right in their ear as the play is happening, by standing right next to the table, instead of being within the coaches box.

Also throughout the game, the coach was trying to tell the shot clock operator how to do things.

As I mentioned in the earlier post, the coach was yelling at the officials that the violation happened, even though it was her team who had the rebound off the air ball (Team control had switched) as the shot clock horn was sounding. The Shot Clock Operator was in the process of resetting the shot clock when this happened, in turn not allowing the shot clock operator to complete their duties.

First of all, coaches yell all the time, what's new. Why would this prevent sc operator from resetting clock? These situations are getting really annoying.

[fullor30]

Part of Chseagle table crew, shot clock operator

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Yelling right in their ear as the play is happening, by standing right next to the table, instead of being within the coaches box.

Also throughout the game, the coach was trying to tell the shot clock operator how to do things.

As I mentioned in the earlier post, the coach was yelling at the officials that the violation happened, even though it was her team who had the rebound off the air ball (Team control had switched) as the shot clock horn was sounding. The Shot Clock Operator was in the process of resetting the shot clock when this happened, in turn not allowing the shot clock operator to complete their duties.

Please check in your Funk & Wagnalls for reference to "rhetorical question"

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Yelling right in their ear as the play is happening, by standing right next to the table, instead of being within the coaches box.

While that's a problem (or two), I'm still at a loss to see how it prevented the shot clock operator from resetting the shot clock.

Also throughout the game, the coach was trying to tell the shot clock operator how to do things.

Also a problem. But, it leads to the possibility that the operator was not correctly performing his/her duties.

As I mentioned in the earlier post, the coach was yelling at the officials that the violation happened, even though it was her team who had the rebound off the air ball (Team control had switched) as the shot clock horn was sounding. The Shot Clock Operator was in the process of resetting the shot clock when this happened, in turn not allowing the shot clock operator to complete their duties.

I'm still confused. Which happened first -- the "rebound" or the "horn?" And, if the shot clock operator was "in the process" of resetting it, then a yell from the coach should not prevent the button from being pressed and released.

[tomegun]

Within reason - not while a shot is in the air for example - I would want to know immediately if a coach is hindering the table crew from doing their job. Scoring errors can occur and I don't want that to happen.

Let the Chseagle feeding frenzy continue.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

While that's a problem (or two), I'm still at a loss to see how it prevented the shot clock operator from resetting the shot clock.



Also a problem. But, it leads to the possibility that the operator was not correctly performing his/her duties.



I'm still confused. Which happened first -- the "rebound" or the "horn?" And, if the shot clock operator was "in the process" of resetting it, then a yell from the coach should not prevent the button from being pressed and released.

The visiting team had control of the rebound, just as the buzzer was going off, about 1/10th of a second later. It was the visiting team that had team & player control at the time, yet it was the visitng coach yelling for the violation due to the air ball.

The other problem is that the shot clock buzzer wasn't heard by the officials due to the noise that the visiting team spectators & coach were making. Also apparently the volume level of the Shot Clock Buzzer is softer than it should be.