When is a sub legal?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Also, if the free thrower is able to shoot her free throws, but is bleeding...shouldn't the lane be cleared, the bleeder allowed to take her free throws, a sub be made immediately following the final free throw, and play resumed with either an end line throw-in or a AP throw-in? Isn't there a case play very much like this involving a player with an untucked jersey?

Apples and oranges. The uniform violation is casebook play 3.3.5. The bleeding play is casebook play 3.3.7SitB(b).

Different rules for different situations.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The player must leave as soon as the bleeding is observed.

What? Then I guess that the NFHS hasn't heard about biohazard suits?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What? Then I guess that the NFHS hasn't heard about biohazard suits?

It's a budget thing, billy. Besides, biohazard suits are hard to get within uniform standards.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Besides, biohazard suits are hard to get within uniform standards.

No problem. Numbers front and back. No mascots. White home suit. Dark road suit. No 0 and 00. No identical numbers. No numerals above five.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

No problem. Numbers front and back. No mascots. White home suit. Dark road suit. No 0 and 00. No identical numbers. No numerals above five.

Have you priced them? Expensive at half the price.

[Back In The Saddle]

Fair enough.

BTW, I'll take an apple and an orange. I need some healthy snacks after the past few days.

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

There isn't?

3-3-3: A substitute becomes a player when he/she legally enters the court.
If entry is not legal, the substitute becomes a player when the ball becomes live.
A player becomes bench personnel after his/her substitute becomes a player or
after notification of the coach following his/her disqualification.

When do they "legally enter" the court? What is the definition of that?

That's my point.

Rita

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Rita C

When do they "legally enter" the court? What is the definition of that?

That's my point.

Rita

AFAIK there is no definition of that specifically. However, "The substitute shall remain outside the boundary until an official beckons, whereupon he/she shall enter immediately." Which I take to mean that the "enter" part of "legally enter" means to cross over the boundary line onto the court. The "legal" part requires the official to beckon the substitute. So I understand "legally enter" to mean waiting until the official beckons, then stepping onto the court.

However, it's pretty commonplace that subs do not get beckoned, but are ... recognized? by the official and allowed to enter with his/her consent. Example, you've got two subs waiting at the table. At the next whistle, the official brings the subs in. While that official is holding his partner off, waiting for the replaced players to leave the floor, another sub checks in and comes onto the floor. The official sees the sub enter, and does not beckon but continues holding his/her partner off until the additional substitution is completed. The additional sub was not beckoned, but I'd say the player legally entered the game.

That probably just complicates the attempt to define "legally enter", but it's common practice.

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

AFAIK there is no definition of that specifically. However, "The substitute shall remain outside the boundary until an official beckons, whereupon he/she shall enter immediately." Which I take to mean that the "enter" part of "legally enter" means to cross over the boundary line onto the court. The "legal" part requires the official to beckon the substitute. So I understand "legally enter" to mean waiting until the official beckons, then stepping onto the court.

However, it's pretty commonplace that subs do not get beckoned, but are ... recognized? by the official and allowed to enter with his/her consent. Example, you've got two subs waiting at the table. At the next whistle, the official brings the subs in. While that official is holding his partner off, waiting for the replaced players to leave the floor, another sub checks in and comes onto the floor. The official sees the sub enter, and does not beckon but continues holding his/her partner off until the additional substitution is completed. The additional sub was not beckoned, but I'd say the player legally entered the game.

That probably just complicates the attempt to define "legally enter", but it's common practice.

Thank you.

Rita

[SamIAm]

A slight different take or at least I didn't see a post aiming in this direction.

Some of the references to a "legal substitute" might be refering to a player who eligible to be a sub.

[dsqrddgd909]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Have you priced them? Expensive at half the price.

In my size: $845 for Tychem. 9BB-37703 http://www.labsafety.com/search/tych...nder/24537728/

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909

In my size: $845 for Tychem. 9BB-37703

Vacation, unemployed, independently wealthy, bored, retired, or don't have a life. Which one is it? Unfortunately, for me, it's the last one.

[dsqrddgd909]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Vacation, unemployed, independently wealthy, bored, retired, or don't have a life. Which one is it? Unfortunately, for me, it's the last one.

No, no, not even close, yes, no, no. It's just that for once, I actually had specific knowledge / dare I say expertise on something being discussed here.

[Bellbuoy]

Not to hijack the thread, but this happened in our game this week, 4.4 seconds left in the game, Team A leads Team B by 3 points. Team B calls a timeout. At the the conclusion of the timeout Team B sends a player onto the court who has never been in the game and has not reported at the scorer's table. Does s/he become a legal substituion when the ball is inbounded?

[SAJ]

Situation:

Player A1 is fouled and shooting 2 FT's. Four players from A's bench go to the table for substitution. After the first free throw the four players are beckoned onto the floor and replace all other A players except A1. After A1 has the ball at his disposal for the second free throw, A coach sends another bench player to the table for substitution. A1 makes the free throw.

Do you beckon the player at the table onto the court? Do you find out who that player is replacing before beckoning?

Just wondering what sort of protocol should be used in this situation.