When is a sub legal?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Rita C

But it doesn't really SAY that in 3-3, does it?

The reason I ask is a situation I saw in a Varsity girls game the other night.

There had been a foul and the shooter had shot the first of two free throws when it was noticed that she was bleeding. The administering official called to the bench for a substitute. A player entered the court without stopping in front of the table and was called back by her coach who then inserted another player. (Who also did not stop in front of the table) The "beckoning signal" was not used for either player.

So, without the beckoning signal, the player becomes the substitute when the ball is administered to her at the free throw line?

Rita

It seems to me that 3-3 says it quite clearly: "The substitute shall remain outside the boundary until an official beckons, whereupon he/she shall enter immediately."

It seems the game officials messed up a couple of times then. They should have made the subs go to the table and beckoned them (although when a sub is able to come into the game immediately, my beckon is usually very subtle).

Also, if the free thrower is able to shoot her free throws, but is bleeding...shouldn't the lane be cleared, the bleeder allowed to take her free throws, a sub be made immediately following the final free throw, and play resumed with either an end line throw-in or a AP throw-in? Isn't there a case play very much like this involving a player with an untucked jersey?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

If the free thrower is able to shoot her free throws, but is bleeding, shouldn't the lane be cleared, the bleeder allowed to take her free throws?

Yes, but first she has to put on this biohazard suit:

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Also, if the free thrower is able to shoot her free throws, but is bleeding...shouldn't the lane be cleared, the bleeder allowed to take her free throws, a sub be made immediately following the final free throw, and play resumed with either an end line throw-in or a AP throw-in? Isn't there a case play very much like this involving a player with an untucked jersey?

I was under the impression in NFHS when it is discovered that a player have blood on their person or bleeding he/she must be removed immediately.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I was under the impression in NFHS when it is discovered that a player have blood on their person or bleeding he/she must be removed immediately.

Correct as per NFHS case book play 3.3.7SitB(b). The player must leave as soon as the bleeding is observed.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The player must leave as soon as the bleeding is observed.

What? Then I guess that the NFHS hasn't heard about biohazard suits?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What? Then I guess that the NFHS hasn't heard about biohazard suits?

It's a budget thing, billy. Besides, biohazard suits are hard to get within uniform standards.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Besides, biohazard suits are hard to get within uniform standards.

No problem. Numbers front and back. No mascots. White home suit. Dark road suit. No 0 and 00. No identical numbers. No numerals above five.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

No problem. Numbers front and back. No mascots. White home suit. Dark road suit. No 0 and 00. No identical numbers. No numerals above five.

Have you priced them? Expensive at half the price.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Also, if the free thrower is able to shoot her free throws, but is bleeding...shouldn't the lane be cleared, the bleeder allowed to take her free throws, a sub be made immediately following the final free throw, and play resumed with either an end line throw-in or a AP throw-in? Isn't there a case play very much like this involving a player with an untucked jersey?

Apples and oranges. The uniform violation is casebook play 3.3.5. The bleeding play is casebook play 3.3.7SitB(b).

Different rules for different situations.

[Back In The Saddle]

Fair enough.

BTW, I'll take an apple and an orange. I need some healthy snacks after the past few days.