Sub not in game for disqualified player

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

It sounds to me much more like an innocent mistake than a deliberate attempt to circumvent the rule. You say A1 knows he's done. I've seen plenty of kids who don't always realize situations the rest of us see as common knowledge.

Exactly. But you'll always have those with itchy trigger fingers who want to take something out of the rule book, conform it to a situation it doesn't apply to, and whack a kid. It's .

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

So since the timer isn't timing 20 seconds at this point, you start a visibile 20 second count and if you don't think he's getting off the floor fast enough, you whack him?

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

The timer just did administer a 20-second replacement period. What do you think that was for? Not only does the Head Coach have to send a sub to the table, but logically, the team member with five fouls needs to depart during this time.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I think Nevada is saying he's going to issue the T just as soon as the 20 second horn goes off if the team isn't on the court and ready; which isn't the rule, but.... I guess.

This isn't a time-out. The NFHS has made that point crystal clear. So only the Head Coach should be standing in the bench area and the remaining four players should remain on the court during the process. There shouldn't be any need to wait more than that 20 seconds.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Exactly. But you'll always have those with itchy trigger fingers who want to take something out of the rule book, conform it to a situation it doesn't apply to, and whack a kid. It's .

So how long do you propose giving this team to have their disqualified player depart?
I prefer to stick with the 20 seconds that is provided in the rules book. If they go over that, then they are delaying the resumption of the game and a T is justified and supported by the rules. 10-3-5a is in the book exactly for this type of situation.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The timer just did administer a 20-second replacement period. What do you think that was for? Not only does the Head Coach have to send a sub to the table, but logically, the team member with five fouls needs to depart during this time.

So how long do you propose giving this team to have their disqualified player depart?

I prefer to stick with the 20 seconds that is provided in the rules book. If they go over that, then they are delaying the resumption of the game and a T is justified and supported by the rules. 10-3-5a is in the book exactly for this type of situation.

The coach has 20 seconds to replace the player with a sub. Did he do that? I don't think it's been addressed. It would seem to me that if he didn't a T would have been called. Since it wasn't, evidently the sub entered.

The official must inform the player that he has fouled out. Did he do that? I don't think it's been addressed. Snce the player came back on to the floor, it would seem he was not informed. Otherwise, I don't think he's coming back out.

Maybe the kid's parent came out on the floor. That would give you a chance to call two T's!

[Nevadaref]

Only two? I think that I could find a third in there somewhere. Afterall, this is the giving season.

[just another ref]

Six players on the floor does not keep the ball from being put in play. Put it in play and call that T if you want. But the jillion other times this has been discussed the consensus is always count the players, hold up 6 fingers to the coach, and proceed from there.

10-3-5 does not seem to fit here to me.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I agree. In the OP, though, the sub reported prior to the horn. Now, it's up to the official to get the game going, as they broke their "huddle" as soon as the horn sounded.

One thing that has failed to be addressed. As soon as the sub reports to the table the officials should get the game going. Not after the 20-second horn and not after the team breaks the huddle.

As soon as that sub gets to the table we should be proceeding with the game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

One thing that has failed to be addressed. As soon as the sub reports to the table the officials should get the game going. Not after the 20-second horn and not after the team breaks the huddle.

As soon as that sub gets to the table we should be proceeding with the game.

I guess my assumption here has been that the sub reported close enough to the horn that this wasn't an issue; based on the fact that the officials didn't know and had to ask if he'd reported on time.

Frankly, while I think the officials were correct in not assessing the T here, I think that's about the only part of the situation they got right.

1. They shouldn't have had to ask whether he reported on time. I'm typically standing at the table waiting for the sub; I'll know if he reported on time.

2. It really doesn't seem like they informed the player it was his fifth foul. I've never seen a player come back after being informed it was his fifth. The oversight in #1 leads me to believe that this is as likely as not.