T Up a Fan?!?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Okay, no more name calling and sarcasm.............for now.

All these references to medical release forms, liability, and proper ways to treat injuries have one thing in common, they have nothing to do with basketball. A player is injured. The game stops from my perspective and the injured player gets top priority. If both parents, the trainer, the personal physician, and the priest all come out to attend, I don't see the negative effect on the game.

When the injury issue is resolved, my partner(s) and I will resume our duties.

You think this way because you are not well-versed in the rules. Too bad that you don't read more and write less.

2-2-3 . . . The officials’ jurisdiction extends through periods when the game
may be momentarily stopped for any reason.

[gslefeb]

Kids are in bed, Santa is done... need to get a few hours sleep before kids wake up early tomorrow.

Merry Christmas

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You think this way because you are not well-versed in the rules. Too bad that you don't read more and write less.

"The officials may call fouls on either team if its supporters act in such a way as to interfere with the proper conduct of the game."

Please describe said interference, because I don't see it.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by sseltser

"The officials may call fouls on either team if its supporters act in such a way as to interfere with the proper conduct of the game."

Please describe said interference, because I don't see it.

You don't see entering the court without permission as improper?

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You don't see entering the court without permission as improper?

I do. I don't see it interfering with the conduct of the game.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by sseltser

I do. I don't see it interfering with the conduct of the game.

Then what sanction do you propose for that improper conduct?

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Then what sanction do you propose for that improper conduct?

If fan leaves gym with injured child, nothing. There is no interference with the game, nor future problem.

If fan wishes to remain in gym:
"Mr. Game-Management-Supervisor, please go speak with that person who came on the floor and remind them that they can't come onto the floor anytime they please. Thanks."

If fan was unruly towards anyone while on floor:
"Mr. Game-Management-Supervisor, please go speak with that person who came on the floor and escort them out of the facility before we resume the game. Thanks."

Again, the foul can be issued if it interferes with the game. I don't believe these actions interfere with anything, except for maybe the few cases where the medical personnel are bothered by overzealous nervous parents.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by sseltser

I don't believe these actions interfere with anything, except for maybe the few cases where the medical personnel are bothered by overzealous nervous parents.

Agreed. And even then, it is not an issue for the officials to deal with.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by sseltser

If fan leaves gym with injured child, nothing. There is no interference with the game, nor future problem.

If fan wishes to remain in gym:
"Mr. Game-Management-Supervisor, please go speak with that person who came on the floor and remind them that they can't come onto the floor anytime they please. Thanks."

If fan was unruly towards anyone while on floor:
"Mr. Game-Management-Supervisor, please go speak with that person who came on the floor and escort them out of the facility before we resume the game. Thanks."

Again, the foul can be issued if it interferes with the game. I don't believe these actions interfere with anything, except for maybe the few cases where the medical personnel are bothered by overzealous nervous parents.

The problem with the way that you are handling this is that there is absolutely no deterrent to spectators from coming onto the court whenever they deem it necessary.

I don't believe in permitting this type of behavior. Therefore, I favor having strong sanctions against it. You seem to be okay with random people coming onto the court during games which you officiate. I don't feel that that provides a safe environment for the participants and officials, so I'm not okay with it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by sseltser

Again, the foul can be issued if it interferes with the game. I don't believe these actions interfere with anything, except for maybe the few cases where the medical personnel are bothered by overzealous nervous parents.

Here's the kicker. If I'm the parent, those medical personnel had damn well better be following my direction and allowing me to make the decisions. I'm there, consult me. You don't get to make those decisions without a parent's consent when the parent is there.

My only concern with the OP was the fact that the parent ripped into the officials. I guarantee you, if my kid is that hurt that I'm coming down, I won't even know the officials are there. It's me, my child, and the medics.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You don't see entering the court without permission as improper?

So, is it a technical foul every single time bench personnel/spectors rush onto the court following a last-second shot?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So, is it a technical foul every single time bench personnel/spectors rush onto the court following a last-second shot?

Phil or Arlen? Arlen is with an e I believe.

[Upward ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You think this way because you are not well-versed in the rules. Too bad that you don't read more and write less.

2-2-3 . . . The officials’ jurisdiction extends through periods when the game
may be momentarily stopped for any reason.

only a moron would tread into these shark infested waters ,but here goes ; i stepped on the court on my way to the stands going to watch a H.S. V. game and i didnt get thrown out. total anarchy ! 2. human nature cant be stifled and a parent won't be denied access to a hurt child , no matter how minor it may subsequently turn out to be . rational thinking is not what it should be at these times. 3. thanks to all the pro's here that would maintain the highest standards of the profession while using sensible judgement that wouldn't escalate an unpleasant and tense situation. lesson learned, next?