Tech or violation?

[Freddy]

Was this due to a delay deserving of the ROP procedure? If so, then 9.1.2A seems to answer the question.
If a delay of another sort kept the spaces from being filled, then 10.1.5C would prevail.
What other circumstance would have resulted the administering official bouncing the ball to the free thrower with one space empty ?
No homiletics here, just trying to understand the situation you cite.

[Adam]

It's a violation; assuming normal circumstances.

[tjones1]

If the defense and offense were in opposite spaces then 9.1.2 Situation B has the solution.

However, I think the OP is saying that the first space is just not occupied by anyone...I would just have a violation (although it shouldn't happen... oops, wasn't suppose to say that ).

[ronny mulkey]

no doubt that we had our heads up our asses to let this happen but happen it did. We have been discussing 10.1.5.c for the past couple of weeks and the T is IF there is a delay in complying to the official's request to occupy the lane. Right? And, not because the block was unoccupied?

The 9.1.2 ruling leads me to believe that is merely a violation for not being in the bottom block. Right?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

no doubt that we had our heads up our asses to let this happen but happen it did. We have been discussing 10.1.5.c for the past couple of weeks and the T is IF there is a delay in complying to the official's request to occupy the lane. Right? And, not because the block was unoccupied?

The 9.1.2 ruling leads me to believe that is merely a violation for not being in the bottom block. Right?

Correct. If they aren't occupying the first two spots, then they should be directed to occupy the first two spots and if they don't then a team technical foul is issued for delay.

Correct. Just a violation.

[mbyron]

Why should you be spared the sermon? You screwed up a call -- so what, we all do that. Thicken that skin.

The answers so far seem to be "if you're going to ignore the officials' error, then call a violation." But why ignore the error?

If you rushed to put the ball at the disposal of the thrower before everyone was set, whistle it dead, do it right, and don't penalize either team for your mistakes.

[PaREF]

The art of preaching.

Sorry, I had to look that one up. I learned a new word today!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Why should you be spared the sermon? You screwed up a call -- so what, we all do that. Thicken that skin.

The answers so far seem to be "if you're going to ignore the officials' error, then call a violation." But why ignore the error?

If you rushed to put the ball at the disposal of the thrower before everyone was set, whistle it dead, do it right, and don't penalize either team for your mistakes.

I don't think I quite agree with this. To me, it's similar to the 6 player issue. Count them every damn time, but if you happen to miss once and there are 6, call the T.

Similarly, make sure the defense is on the blocks; but if you happen to miss it and have a free throw where they don't get there, call the violation. I'm certainly not going to disrupt a shooter's rythm on this one, either.

It's the defense's job to get there.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Why should you be spared the sermon? You screwed up a call -- so what, we all do that. Thicken that skin.

The answers so far seem to be "if you're going to ignore the officials' error, then call a violation." But why ignore the error?

If you rushed to put the ball at the disposal of the thrower before everyone was set, whistle it dead, do it right, and don't penalize either team for your mistakes.

I disagree as well. The team technical foul would be for delaying the game by preventing the ball from promptly being made live as the official is not supposed to administer the FT without the bottom spaces being occupied by defensive players (unless RPP). However, since the official messed up and made the ball live, then there was no delay and hence no T is warranted. However, failing to properly be in those spaces during a FT is a violation. Therefore, the official should signal a delayed FT violation and allow the shooter to attempt the try. He will get another one if he misses. If the official whistles the play dead and then resets it, then there won't be another FT attempt if there is a miss and there is no penalty for the defensive team being slow to properly position themselves.
Of course, if the attempt is successful, then the violation is simply ignored, but a verbal warning to get to those spaces would be in order.