Replacing Injured FT Shooter = Done for game?

[JRutledge]

The Action Plan is not a rule it is a guideline for coaches and school personnel to follow. Officials do not get involved in this aspect of this information.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The Action Plan is not a rule it is a guideline for coaches and school personnel to follow. Officials do not get involved in this aspect of this information.

Could you please support that statement with some official documentation?

For the record, concussions were included as the #1 POE in that season. As far as I know POEs are definitely for the officials as well as the school coaches and administrators.

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2006-07 POINTS OF EMPHASIS

1. Concussions (See page 71)
2. Uniforms. Last season the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee was concerned with the use of uniforms ...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Could you please support that statement with some official documentation?

For the record, concussions were included as the #1 POE in that season. As far as I know POEs are definitely for the officials as well as the school coaches and administrators.

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2006-07 POINTS OF EMPHASIS

1. Concussions (See page 71)
2. Uniforms. Last season the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee was concerned with the use of uniforms ...

I will support it from a common sense point of view and words stated by our interpreters. There is nothing as officials we do to tell or diagnose a concussion. For the record this was mentioned in just about all the major NF sports with the same information that very same year. It was made clear to us that this was about the coaches and the schools and training staffs, not the officials. Officials do not tell someone they have a concussion and not allow players to play as a result. Even in #4 of the Action Plan, there is nothing that says this has to be verified by us as officials. And unless you have shown something, there are no rules referenced in that POE. So these are at best guidelines, not rules.

Peace

[representing]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Could you please support that statement with some official documentation?

For the record, concussions were included as the #1 POE in that season. As far as I know POEs are definitely for the officials as well as the school coaches and administrators.

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2006-07 POINTS OF EMPHASIS

1. Concussions (See page 71)
2. Uniforms. Last season the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee was concerned with the use of uniforms ...

2006-2007 was 3 years ago. If it was still a major concern, then why isn't it in the rulebook? As far as I'm concerned, I am to not care about concussions. I know they are bad, I had a major concussion 2 years ago, but the rulebook does not say anything about concussions. If I suspect someone may have had a concussion, I'll might mention it to the coach and ask him/her to send the player to the trainer to be evaluated before playing again. But it is not my job to diagnose a concussion.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by representing

2006-2007 was 3 years ago. If it was still a major concern, then why isn't it in the rulebook? As far as I'm concerned, I am to not care about concussions. I know they are bad, I had a major concussion 2 years ago, but the rulebook does not say anything about concussions anymore, thus if I suspected someone may have had a concussion, I'll just mention it to the coach and ask him/her to send the player to the trainer to be evaluated before playing again.

Because they were never rules. They were things to help coaches, players and trainers identify concussions and what they should do in the case they think a player has received one.

Peace

[representing]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Because they were never rules. They were things to help coaches, players and trainers identify concussions and what they should do in the case they think a player has received one.

Peace

That helps to prove my point. Thanks

[Nevadaref]

The point is simply that the NFHS doesn't want the player to return to the game without permission from an appropriate health care professional.

That is what the NFHS wrote in its rules book back in 2006-07.

How the official goes about enforcing that is a gray area, but there is no question that doing so is proper, which is what both of you stated was wrong.

Of course, I'm not going to go diagnose such as I'm not qualified for that and so recognize that this directive is problematic for game officials.

However, if I am informed that a player sustained a concussion at some point during the game, then it is my duty to ensure that the appropriate permission is obtained before permitting that person to return to action.

The person who posted that sentiment is 100% correct and the two of you told him otherwise.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The point is simply that the NFHS doesn't want the player to return to the game without permission from an appropriate health care professional.

That is what the NFHS wrote in its rules book back in 2006-07.

How the official goes about enforcing that is a gray area, but there is no question that doing so is proper, which is what both of you stated was wrong.

Of course, I'm not going to go diagnose such as I'm not qualified for that and so recognize that this directive is problematic for game officials.

However, if I am informed that a player sustained a concussion at some point during the game, then it is my duty to ensure that the appropriate permission is obtained before permitting that person to return to action.

The person who posted that sentiment is 100% correct and the two of you told him otherwise.

I cannot speak for where you live. But every single rules meeting that I attended that year in all my sports, this was in every single rulebook. And it was also stated that this was not for the officials, it was for the coaches and school representatives that also have to attend those meetings. A couple of meetings I went to there were no coaches or school representatives present, so the interpreters moved on by only mentioning how this was for coaches and school representatives. Having had friends in football get concussions, the only way I figured this out was by talking to them directly. And when both repeated themselves during a playoff game we were losing and all the starters were out of the game, it was clear something was wrong. I would have never had that much interaction with a player in a basketball or football setting. And in many cases I may never talk to most baseball players. And neither of my friends were knocked out of the game or taking off the field. Even in football we might only know if a player comes up wobbly after a hit of some kind. We may never know in basketball where you may have a concussion with not many “visible” signs.

Peace

[just another ref]

I gotta go with Rut on this one. Consider #'s 2 and 3.

2. Ensure athlete is evaluated by an appropriate health care professional. Do not try to judge the seriousness of the injury yourself.
3. Inform athlete's parents or guardians about the known or possible concussion and give them the fact sheet on concussion.

Is the official supposed to do these, too?

This really seem like an odd thing to be in the rule book. Not to minimize the seriousness of concussions, but what next? Swine flu?

"A player exhibiting flulike symptoms, (sneezing, etc.) or any player known to have recently visited Mexico, should not be allowed to participate without first displaying a vaccination certificate.

[Nevadaref]

I thought that it was poor of the NFHS to put it into the rules book and said so back when it happened, primarily due to some of the instructions which obviously shouldn't pertain to game officials, but that doesn't change the fact that it was indeed published in the rules book, and to my knowledge the position of the NFHS on concussions has not changed.

Therefore, if a player does suffer a concussion during a contest that directive would apply, and the game official has the obligation to not allow the person back in without proper permission.