10 secound backcourt or not

[Nevadaref]

Neither the game clock nor the shot clock matter in this situation, only the count by the official. If the official doesn't reach a count of ten, then there is no violation.


5.10.1 SITUATION B: Team A leads by one point when they inbound the ball in
their backcourt with 12 seconds remaining in the fourth quarter. A1's throw-in
pass is to A2 who dribbles in the backcourt until the horn sounds. The trail official
does not make a 10-second call because he/she "lost the count." RULING: The
game is over. The clock may not be reset as there are no rule provisions to do
this. If the count was not accurate or was not made, it cannot be corrected. There
is no provision for the correction of an error made in the official's accuracy in
counting seconds.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Neither the game clock nor the shot clock matter in this situation, only the count by the official. If the official doesn't reach a count of ten, then there is no violation.

All I am saying is many refs will look at the clock and make a change to something to cover up a fast or slow count. Not saying it is right, but I have seen it done. and that very well may have been the case in the OP.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

All I am saying is many refs will look at the clock and make a change to something to cover up a fast or slow count. Not saying it is right, but I have seen it done. and that very well may have been the case in the OP.

Or, the official had an 8 count and determined that based on that, the shot clock must have started early. Perhaps the ball was touched inbounds before team control was established; starting the game clock (properly) and the shot clock (improperly).

[referee99]

... is there even the slightest possibility that the shot clock operator reset the clock when the ball either hit the ring or passed through.... and didn't hold the restarting of the clock until the ball is under player control inbounds?

Gee, I haven't had that since EVERY GAME I HAVE HAD THIS SEASON!!.
Chronic problem. I talk to SCOs before the game about when to reset, they nod... I talk about reset and HOLD... they often don't even know what that is... sheesh.

OK, maybe it hasn't been a problem in EVERY game...

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Or, the official had an 8 count and determined that based on that, the shot clock must have started early. Perhaps the ball was touched inbounds before team control was established; starting the game clock (properly) and the shot clock (improperly).

You might want to check when is the proper time to start the shot clock.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You might want to check when is the proper time to start the shot clock.

Okay, allow me to ask, then.
Play:
BC throwin for A with new shot clock. Throwin is tipped by a) A2, who does not gain control or b) B1, who does not gain control, before being controlled by A3 (two seconds later for the sake of clarity).

When do you start the shot clock?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, allow me to ask, then.
Play:
BC throwin for A with new shot clock. Throwin is tipped by a) A2, who does not gain control or b) B1, who does not gain control, before being controlled by A3 (two seconds later for the sake of clarity).

When do you start the shot clock?

In NCAA the shot clock starts when the ball is legally touched inbounds. The 10-second count doesn't begin until there's control.

What they do in WA might be different.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In NCAA the shot clock starts when the ball is legally touched inbounds. The 10-second count doesn't begin until there's control.

What they do in WA might be different.

In Washington, the state rules state the shot clock starts when player/team control is established.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, allow me to ask, then.
Play:
BC throwin for A with new shot clock. Throwin is tipped by a) A2, who does not gain control or b) B1, who does not gain control, before being controlled by A3 (two seconds later for the sake of clarity).

When do you start the shot clock?

a) when the throw-in pass is tipped by A2
b) when the throw-in pass is tipped by B1

From the current NCAA rules:
Rule 2
Section 11. Duties of Shot-Clock Operator
The shot-clock operator shall:...

5. Start the timing device when a player inbounds legally touches or is
touched by the ball on a throw-in or when a team initially gains possession
from a jump ball, an unsuccessful try for goal or when possession is gained
of a loose ball after a jump ball or unsuccessful try for goal.

[Adam]

I have to wonder whether this has anything to do with there being team control during a throwin, but I'm just speculating. I had assumed that for the shot clock to start, team control would have needed to begin.

Having only worked one game with a shot clock, ever, I'm not surprised I had that one wrong.