10 secound backcourt or not

[chseagle]

Team B is moving ball up from backcourt, with 35 seconds on shot clock. Team A traps team B in BC & Team B calls time out. Shot clock shows 24 seconds. Official comes over to table & instructs shot clock to be reset to 27 & team B gets their time out.

This happened during Boys' Varsity tonight. Should Team B of been given the time out after having a 10 second BC against them?

[rlarry]

I would imagine the official granted the time out and the clock kept running.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Team B is moving ball up from backcourt, with 35 seconds on shot clock. Team A traps team B in BC & Team B calls time out. Shot clock shows 24 seconds. Official comes over to table & instructs shot clock to be reset to 27 & team B gets their time out.

This happened during Boys' Varsity tonight. Should Team B of been given the time out after having a 10 second BC against them?

Let me guess, the VISITING TEAM is Team B. Correct? Since our State does not have a shot clock, I don't know all of the rules concerning it at the NFHS level, BUT, my guess is that the Shot Clock Timer may have started the clock too early. Since the trail has the 10-second count in the backcourt, he had only gotten to eight when the time out was GRANTED.

Once again, not sure if this would be the correct procedure since we do not have a shot clock. Just trying to logically deduce how the events you describe could have happened.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Should Team B of

No.

That said, I'm confused by the question. I don't see that Team B committed a 10-second BC violation.

[Johnny Ringo]

... or it was actually 11 seconds in the BC and the officiall whiffed and gave the time out.

At that point, the official then glanced to the shot clock and noticed he/she had forgot to count, started late or messed up and then to make it look like he was on top of it, put the time back on the clock.

Just a thought.

[representing]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Team B is moving ball up from backcourt, with 35 seconds on shot clock. Team A traps team B in BC & Team B calls time out. Shot clock shows 24 seconds. Official comes over to table & instructs shot clock to be reset to 27 & team B gets their time out.

This happened during Boys' Varsity tonight. Should Team B of been given the time out after having a 10 second BC against them?

For several years I was the scoreboard operator at my school prior to graduating. This has happened in one of the games last season. Visiting team taking ball down court, get's trapped and calls timeout. 24 seconds on the shot clock. the R comes over to me and says to put 26 back on the scoreclock.

While the rule does say "10 seconds", every one of us are not in sync with the clock to have a perfect 10 seconds. I even know some officials in my chapter who counts too fast and it would only be 8-9 seconds off the clock when they extended their hand the 10th time. Some guys count too slow that it would be 12-13 seconds... So it is possible maybe the trail only got to 7 or 8 before the time out was called.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by representing

For several years I was the scoreboard operator at my school prior to graduating. This has happened in one of the games last season. Visiting team taking ball down court, get's trapped and calls timeout. 24 seconds on the shot clock. the R comes over to me and says to put 26 back on the scoreclock.

While the rule does say "10 seconds", every one of us are not in sync with the clock to have a perfect 10 seconds. I even know some officials in my chapter who counts too fast and it would only be 8-9 seconds off the clock when they extended their hand the 10th time. Some guys count too slow that it would be 12-13 seconds... So it is possible maybe the trail only got to 7 or 8 before the time out was called.

Another possibility. Once again, I don't know the specific rules with a shot clock, but I know there have been situations such as you have indicated without the clock. The trail officials count is the determining factor.

[Nevadaref]

Neither the game clock nor the shot clock matter in this situation, only the count by the official. If the official doesn't reach a count of ten, then there is no violation.


5.10.1 SITUATION B: Team A leads by one point when they inbound the ball in
their backcourt with 12 seconds remaining in the fourth quarter. A1's throw-in
pass is to A2 who dribbles in the backcourt until the horn sounds. The trail official
does not make a 10-second call because he/she "lost the count." RULING: The
game is over. The clock may not be reset as there are no rule provisions to do
this. If the count was not accurate or was not made, it cannot be corrected. There
is no provision for the correction of an error made in the official's accuracy in
counting seconds.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Neither the game clock nor the shot clock matter in this situation, only the count by the official. If the official doesn't reach a count of ten, then there is no violation.

All I am saying is many refs will look at the clock and make a change to something to cover up a fast or slow count. Not saying it is right, but I have seen it done. and that very well may have been the case in the OP.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

All I am saying is many refs will look at the clock and make a change to something to cover up a fast or slow count. Not saying it is right, but I have seen it done. and that very well may have been the case in the OP.

Or, the official had an 8 count and determined that based on that, the shot clock must have started early. Perhaps the ball was touched inbounds before team control was established; starting the game clock (properly) and the shot clock (improperly).

[referee99]

... is there even the slightest possibility that the shot clock operator reset the clock when the ball either hit the ring or passed through.... and didn't hold the restarting of the clock until the ball is under player control inbounds?

Gee, I haven't had that since EVERY GAME I HAVE HAD THIS SEASON!!.
Chronic problem. I talk to SCOs before the game about when to reset, they nod... I talk about reset and HOLD... they often don't even know what that is... sheesh.

OK, maybe it hasn't been a problem in EVERY game...

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by representing

I even know some officials in my chapter who counts too fast and it would only be 8-9 seconds off the clock when they extended their hand the 10th time.

Doubtful. It's almost impossible to an official to count too fast. It's very noticable, as you almost have to separate your shoulder to count too fast.

[CoachP]

Team A ahead.
9.2 seconds on the clock.
A1 inbounds after a made B1 FT.

Does anyone here start a 10 second count?

[Adam]

Yes, but only until I know the clock has started properly.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Team A ahead.
9.2 seconds on the clock.
A1 inbounds after a made B1 FT.

Does anyone here start a 10 second count?

I would. But I'm only counting for the camera, I would certainly know that I couldn't a 10-second violation.

Of course, depending on the margin, I might not have to count very long as Team B might be fouling.