10 secound backcourt or not

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, allow me to ask, then.
Play:
BC throwin for A with new shot clock. Throwin is tipped by a) A2, who does not gain control or b) B1, who does not gain control, before being controlled by A3 (two seconds later for the sake of clarity).

When do you start the shot clock?

In NCAA the shot clock starts when the ball is legally touched inbounds. The 10-second count doesn't begin until there's control.

What they do in WA might be different.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In NCAA the shot clock starts when the ball is legally touched inbounds. The 10-second count doesn't begin until there's control.

What they do in WA might be different.

In Washington, the state rules state the shot clock starts when player/team control is established.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

In Washington, the state rules state the shot clock starts when player/team control is established.

I'll refrain from an "I told you so" simply because I was guessing anyway.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

In Washington, the state rules state the shot clock starts when player/team control is established.

Which brings us right back to referee99's earlier post: If the shot clock operator didn't hold the reset until player/team control is gained or misjudged when that occurred (ie: touched vs. controlled) that could easily account for the three second difference. From the description, it appears that is what the trail official observed to occur, which would explain why he had the shot clock reset.

In any case, as has been pointed out by both rule and case book situation, the trail official has the sole responsibility and authority for determining the occurrence of a 10 second back court violation. This is not the job of either the timer or shot clock operator - they need to focus on their own responsibilities and let the officials take care of theirs.

There are a lot of subtle nuances in the practice and art of officiating, and it takes a lot of time and effort to learn to apply them effectively and consistently. Coaches, players, table crew and fans for the most part have no clue unless they've been there.

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