Bulter Game - taking time off the clock

[gslefeb]

Anyone catch the end of the Bulter Game? Wow, I can not believe they took time off the clock to end the game.

Also, the backcourt with 16 secs left to play, I thought white touch the ball before the ball had back court status.

[APG]

From what I could see the clock stopped momentary at 14.7 seconds. The officials used a stop watch to time how long the clock stopped, and from what was said postgame they came to the conclusion that the clock stopped for 1.3 seconds. They then reviewed to see if the shot was off in time which it was. It was gone at 1.8 seconds and the clocked stopped when the ball cleared the basket at 1.2. Game over

[Mark Padgett]

And just where is "Bulter" University? In Indinana?

[bisonlj]

Huge call by those guys. I didn't the benefit of a stop watch to see how long the clock had been stopped but I assumed there would at least be a fraction of a second left. They were definitely right to take time of the clock and if they determined the pause was for 1.3 seconds, they got it correct.

I'm not a BB official so I was curious to know if the jump ball call was correct. I was rooting for Butler so I was happy with the call but wasn't sure if he held it up enough.

[Seddy]

From what I can tell, they got the call right. That being said, I would have liked to have heard Xavier's Chris Mack's post-game press conference.

[zeedonk]

I saw the end of the game- lots of stuff going on. What is the theory/rule that allows the officials to take time off the clock after the clock stopped, then started, then the time out with 1.2 seconds left?

I understand the explanation- clock stopped for 1.3 seconds, therefore we subtract 1.3 from 1.2 (time left on the clock at time out)- game over.

I understand the use of replay, but the stopwatch idea seems to have saved the day. Does the alternate official or the scorer always have one in NCAA D-1 (or other levels)?

What do we do if this is NFHS? Most of us won't have monitors. I suspect if we officials even notice the brief clock stoppage with all else going on at 14.7, I don't think we could estimate the amount of time, and would probably just play on at 1.2.

[TonyT]

Originally Posted by Seddy

From what I can tell, they got the call right. That being said, I would have liked to have heard Xavier's Chris Mack's post-game press conference.

The players and coaches are going by the time left on the scoreboard. So now you are telling me that they are basically saying when the clock SHOWED 2 seconds the game was really OVER. Think about this and use COMMON SENSE. There is NO WAY you take time off the clock after they have played for 15 seconds. You let them play it out. After the basket X should of had about 1.2 seconds to in bound the ball. That game should of never ending like that.

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

Huge call by those guys. I didn't the benefit of a stop watch to see how long the clock had been stopped but I assumed there would at least be a fraction of a second left. They were definitely right to take time of the clock and if they determined the pause was for 1.3 seconds, they got it correct.

I'm not a BB official so I was curious to know if the jump ball call was correct. I was rooting for Butler so I was happy with the call but wasn't sure if he held it up enough.

My buddy texted me and told me to watch the game and asked if the officials did what they should on the game. When I got home I got on ESPN360 and re-watched the end of the game. I reviewed the play five or six times and not once could I get my stop watch to read anything less than 1.25 even with a slow start and quick stop. With my information the differential of 1.3 seconds was correct. Tough way to lose a game, but well within their jurisdiction, with the use of a monitor.

In high school or any game without a monitor, there is very little we could do, unless one of the officials noticed the stoppage. Correct procedure would be (now correct me if I'm wrong) to stop the game when you noticed the stoppage and take what we would deem as something around 1 second from the clock and then go POI from there. We could use our partner's and the table to help us get the right time on the clock, but we wouldn't have the monitor to help us, so we'd finish the game with the time that we saw the clock at when the timeout was called (the clock wouldn't stop in high school as it comes through the net as it does in college) if we didn't have any knowledge that the clock stopped at 14.7 like it did in this game.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by gslefeb

Also, the backcourt with 16 secs left to play, I thought white touch the ball before the ball had back court status.

Agreed. I'm pretty certain they missed the back court call. As soon as the first defensive touch happened, the T went into his "tipped ball" mechanic that he repeated about 28 times while ignoring the fact that white touched it last in the front court and first in the back court, as if it didn't matter.

[Judtech]

Did anyone else thing there should have been a foul called on #25 as he went after the ball and took out the legs of the Butler player? Or that the Butler player may have traveled as he had the ball while "seated" and then stood up to pass?
I really thought there should have been a foul but that is why I was home enjoying the snow and they were doing a big time game!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Did anyone else thing there should have been a foul called on #25 as he went after the ball and took out the legs of the Butler player? Or that the Butler player may have traveled as he had the ball while "seated" and then stood up to pass?
I really thought there should have been a foul but that is why I was home enjoying the snow and they were doing a big time game!

Not a foul. Maybe a travel but the ball was really loose so I can live with what was not called.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Did anyone else thing there should have been a foul called on #25 as he went after the ball and took out the legs of the Butler player? Or that the Butler player may have traveled as he had the ball while "seated" and then stood up to pass?
I really thought there should have been a foul but that is why I was home enjoying the snow and they were doing a big time game!

The player for Butler was in a low squat, but I don't believe that either of his knees were touching the floor when he obtained control of the ball. If you look closely, you will see that his right leg is on the opponent, not the floor, and we can't see his left knee from this camera angle.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

Agreed. I'm pretty certain they missed the back court call. As soon as the first defensive touch happened, the T went into his "tipped ball" mechanic that he repeated about 28 times while ignoring the fact that white touched it last in the front court and first in the back court, as if it didn't matter.

Is the back court violation rule the same in NCAA as it is in NFHS? Specifically, does the fact that it was tipped by the defender off of the offensive player have any impact?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Spence

Is the back court violation rule the same in NCAA as it is in NFHS? Specifically, does the fact that it was tipped by the defender off of the offensive player have any impact?

Yes, it's the same.

If the ball is tipped by the defender and touches the offensive player in the frontcourt and the offensive is the first to touch in the backcourt it is a violation.

Team-control, last to touch in your frontcourt, first to touch in your backcourt = violation.