Scorers' Table Setup

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

The scorer almost always sits by the timer. But I prefer for the books to also sit next to each other and ask them to do so if the table setup allows it.

And before Nevada steps in and tells me I have no authority to make them do so, I understand that. But I ask them to and explain my reason. It's worked very well for me so far.

Okay, good for you. I just hope that you don't run into an upset AD who comes over and asks why you are asking the table personnel to move around instead of sitting in the place which he/she designated for each of them.

[JoeT]

Back when it was my job, I used to also supply copies of "instructions for scorers" and "instructions for timers" in sheet protectors at the table. I had a simplified version of the instructions that I culled from the "full" versions....

[Scratch85]

My only preference is that the scorer sit behind the big "X" on the floor.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

My only preference is that the scorer sit behind the big "X" on the floor.

Don't they get in the way when you're at Xavier?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by JoeT

Back when it was my job, I used to also supply copies of "instructions for scorers" and "instructions for timers" in sheet protectors at the table. I had a simplified version of the instructions that I culled from the "full" versions....

For the past few years I've been doing scoreboard/timer & shot clock, I've had copies of "Instructions To & Duties of the Scorers" & Instructions To & Duties to the Timers", as well as the current copy of the WIAA Shot Clock Operation Instructions with me at all times.

The one big problem, however is when those doing books are high school students & the only person they'll listen to is the coach. Unfortunately at the same time, those same HS students doing book, have either a cell phone glued to their hand or friends sitting with them.

Generally at my alma mater, there is no specified setup asked for from the AD for the table, it's however the table sees it fit.

Copy of Instructions To & Duties of Scorers & Timers of Basketball Games:
http://www.nfhs.org/Workarea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2867

Copy of the WIAA Shot Clock Operation Instructions:
http://wiaa.com/ConDocs/Con133/Shot%...Rules%20_2.pdf

[Smitty]

At the sub-varsity level, you are lucky to get a conscious human being to do the book and the clock. You get what you get. I will not allow the official scorer/timer to be on the phone during my games. If I notice there are people distracting the scorer/timer, I will make the distractions leave the area. You do the best you can with what you are given. At the varsity level, the table crew is usually pretty good. You strike me as a little more fanatical about the job than normal.

[26 Year Gap]

When I ask about agreement on the score, I am asking about the official timer and official scorer. The scorer is usually on one side of the timer and the other book is usually on the other side. I am not a wedding planner. I am not making tent signs showing who is to sit where. As long as there is an 'X', an official timer with a working clock, an official scorer with both lineups and team rosters in the official book, I'm happy. This is a mountain out of a mole hill situation as I see it.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

When I ask about agreement on the score, I am asking about the official timer and official scorer. The scorer is usually on one side of the timer and the other book is usually on the other side. I am not a wedding planner. I am not making tent signs showing who is to sit where. As long as there is an 'X', an official timer with a working clock, an official scorer with both lineups and team rosters in the official book, I'm happy. This is a mountain out of a mole hill situation as I see it.

Unfortunately not all floors have the "X".

I started this topic as I was curious as to from a floor official's POV, how should the table be setup. It's common place for the Official scorer & timer to be side-by-side.

I am just trying to come up with the most optimized setup, so that both books will do their duties as they should. I'm getting a bit tired of having to police the books during the JV & C-sqaud games for inaccurate reporting due to inattentiveness.

I realize this is actually up to the coaches & game management, however in the lower level games the regulations are a bit laxed as to the scorer's duties & reponsibilities.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Unfortunately not all floors have the "X".

Then the game administration should be creating one with tape prior to the contest. It is a required floor marking in the rules no different than the FT line at each end of the court.

RULE 1, SECTION 17 “X” LOCATES SCORER
An “X” 12 inches long and 2 inches wide shall be placed on the floor out of
bounds directly in front of the official scorer to help substitutes with the proper location.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I am just trying to come up with the most optimized setup, so that both books will do their duties as they should.

Put the scorer by the X (or at the center of the table). On one side have the timer, and then the shot-clock operator. On the other side have the other scorer.

If you have different roles, adjust accordingly.

If you can't get it that way, don't worry about it.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The one big problem, however is when those doing books are high school students & the only person they'll listen to is the coach. Unfortunately at the same time, those same HS students doing book, have either a cell phone glued to their hand or friends sitting with them.

In NV the timer and scorer for all HS games are required to be adults.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

In NV the timer and scorer for all HS games are required to be adults.

I wish that was the case here in Washington, in some districts or leagues it might be that way, but I haven't seen that implemented in my area of the state.

For Varsity contests, generally the school(s) have personnel that do scorebook all the time. Unfortunately for JV & C-Squad, the case doesn't apply. The coach can just grab someone & say you're doing book whether or not they have experience.

Again, I apologize for not having the direct rules quotation in front of me, but it is my understanding that for any contest that those in the capacity of official scorer & timer must be adults, separated from high school a minimum of at least 2-3 years.

[BillyMac]

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[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I've got Egyptian hieroglyphics showing up on my monitor.

Don't get them wet.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Okay, good for you. I just hope that you don't run into an upset AD who comes over and asks why you are asking the table personnel to move around instead of sitting in the place which he/she designated for each of them.

And I'll be happy to explain to an upset AD that it's his decision, here are my reasons why I'd prefer the layout as requested, and go from there. I can handle adult conversations.

I find that administrators are normally appreciative of officials who want games to go as smoothly as possible.