Scorers' Table Setup

[26 Year Gap]

When I ask about agreement on the score, I am asking about the official timer and official scorer. The scorer is usually on one side of the timer and the other book is usually on the other side. I am not a wedding planner. I am not making tent signs showing who is to sit where. As long as there is an 'X', an official timer with a working clock, an official scorer with both lineups and team rosters in the official book, I'm happy. This is a mountain out of a mole hill situation as I see it.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

When I ask about agreement on the score, I am asking about the official timer and official scorer. The scorer is usually on one side of the timer and the other book is usually on the other side. I am not a wedding planner. I am not making tent signs showing who is to sit where. As long as there is an 'X', an official timer with a working clock, an official scorer with both lineups and team rosters in the official book, I'm happy. This is a mountain out of a mole hill situation as I see it.

Unfortunately not all floors have the "X".

I started this topic as I was curious as to from a floor official's POV, how should the table be setup. It's common place for the Official scorer & timer to be side-by-side.

I am just trying to come up with the most optimized setup, so that both books will do their duties as they should. I'm getting a bit tired of having to police the books during the JV & C-sqaud games for inaccurate reporting due to inattentiveness.

I realize this is actually up to the coaches & game management, however in the lower level games the regulations are a bit laxed as to the scorer's duties & reponsibilities.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The one big problem, however is when those doing books are high school students & the only person they'll listen to is the coach. Unfortunately at the same time, those same HS students doing book, have either a cell phone glued to their hand or friends sitting with them.

In NV the timer and scorer for all HS games are required to be adults.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

In NV the timer and scorer for all HS games are required to be adults.

I wish that was the case here in Washington, in some districts or leagues it might be that way, but I haven't seen that implemented in my area of the state.

For Varsity contests, generally the school(s) have personnel that do scorebook all the time. Unfortunately for JV & C-Squad, the case doesn't apply. The coach can just grab someone & say you're doing book whether or not they have experience.

Again, I apologize for not having the direct rules quotation in front of me, but it is my understanding that for any contest that those in the capacity of official scorer & timer must be adults, separated from high school a minimum of at least 2-3 years.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Unfortunately not all floors have the "X".

Then the game administration should be creating one with tape prior to the contest. It is a required floor marking in the rules no different than the FT line at each end of the court.

RULE 1, SECTION 17 “X” LOCATES SCORER
An “X” 12 inches long and 2 inches wide shall be placed on the floor out of
bounds directly in front of the official scorer to help substitutes with the proper location.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Then the game administration should be creating one with tape prior to the contest. It is a required floor marking in the rules no different than the FT line at each end of the court.

RULE 1, SECTION 17 “X” LOCATES SCORER
An “X” 12 inches long and 2 inches wide shall be placed on the floor out of
bounds directly in front of the official scorer to help substitutes with the proper location.

Odd as I had never seen the "X" in use at my alma mater & hadn't heard of if being mandatory until now.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Odd as I had never seen the "X" in use at my alma mater & hadn't heard of if being mandatory until now.

Probably before your time. It was a rule change back in the 2001-02 season.

Comments on the 2001-02 rules revisions

"X" locates scorer (1-17): Rather than a recommendation, the rule now requires an "X" on the floor in front of the scorer. For 2001-02, when an "X" might not be possible to be painted, tape may be used. Home or game management is to ensure the "X" exists prior to competition.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Probably before your time. It was a rule change back in the 2001-02 season.

Comments on the 2001-02 rules revisions

"X" locates scorer (1-17): Rather than a recommendation, the rule now requires an "X" on the floor in front of the scorer. For 2001-02, when an "X" might not be possible to be painted, tape may be used. Home or game management is to ensure the "X" exists prior to competition.

I've been doing scoreboard/timer & shot clock since 2005, & I don't remember even an "X" being marked last year during 4A Regionals. When I was Boys' Basketball Manager from 1997-1999, I never saw any school having the marking.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I've been doing scoreboard/timer & shot clock since 2005, & I don't remember even an "X" being marked last year during 4A Regionals. When I was Boys' Basketball Manager from 1997-1999, I never saw any school having the marking.

Do you think it's possible that you just don't remember?

Do you think it's possible that you just didn't notice?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Do you think it's possible that you just don't remember?

Do you think it's possible that you just didn't notice?

When I was Boys' Basketball Manager, I wasn't such a scrooge concerning the rules/regulations. So perhaps I might of seen the marking, but didn't think anything of it. When I was doing scorebook back then for C-Squad & JV, nothing really was explained to me except for what needed to be marked in the book.

When I did 4A Regionals last February, I did do floor checks between games, as well as floor sweeps.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I've been doing scoreboard/timer & shot clock since 2005, & I don't remember even an "X" being marked last year during 4A Regionals. When I was Boys' Basketball Manager from 1997-1999, I never saw any school having the marking.

How did you find where you were supposed to sit without the X?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

How did you find where you were supposed to sit without the X?

When I was Boys' Manager, I just sat right next to the bench when I was doing scorebook. For the 4A Regionals, the home book was the official book, so they just sat next to the home bench next to the official timer.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I am just trying to come up with the most optimized setup, so that both books will do their duties as they should.

Put the scorer by the X (or at the center of the table). On one side have the timer, and then the shot-clock operator. On the other side have the other scorer.

If you have different roles, adjust accordingly.

If you can't get it that way, don't worry about it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by chseagle

How should the table be set up?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In case of your table setup, for the forks, you'd work from the outside in LMAO