Is this a carry?

[Adam]

Billy, my understanding of that particular passage is that it's used to prevent players from using loopholes to gain an advantage.

While the application of this particular rule sometimes hinges on an advantage, its definition does not include such wording. To me, a "myths" list should stick to the way the rule is written, and if you want to add a sentence on application, then advantage could be a part of that. Even then, I'd qualify by saying "in some areas, officials look for an advantage before calling it." Do you wait for an advantage before calling a travel? OOB? Illegal dribble? Backcourt violation?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Do you wait for an advantage before calling a travel? OOB? Illegal dribble? Backcourt violation?

Sometimes, depending on the level.
No, never.
Almost never, depending on the level.
No, never.

Three seconds, yes.
Ten second free throw violation, yes, always.
Carrying, or palming, yes, most of the time, depending on the level.

[Adam]

Carrying and palming, I look for either an advantage or a really obvious carry.
Travel, never.
Illegal dribble, never.
Three seconds, usually; unless they start growing roots.
Ten seconds, not advantage so much as a really long time.
Five seconds, never.
OOB, never.
BC, never.

For none of these, however, does A/D play into the rule or definition; even if the official chooses not to call it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Three seconds, yes.
Ten second free throw violation, yes, always.
Carrying, or palming, yes, most of the time, depending on the level.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Carrying and palming, I look for either an advantage or a really obvious carry.
Travel, never.
Illegal dribble, never.
Three seconds, usually; unless they start growing roots.
Ten seconds, not advantage so much as a really long time.
Five seconds, never.
OOB, never.
BC, never.

Notice a theme running through these? Violations involving a boundary line, or a visible counting motion (exception for free throw), seem to be pretty much exempt from the advantage/disadvantage principle. We see them. We call them. No judgment needed. Not very subjective.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Notice a theme running through these? Violations involving a boundary line, or a visible counting motion (exception for free throw), seem to be pretty much exempt from the advantage/disadvantage principle. We see them. We call them. No judgment needed. Not very subjective.

Personally, I don't go A/D for travel or illegal dribble, either. Not at the high school level anyway.
10 seconds, 3 seconds, and palming are pretty much it; and palming to a much lower extend than the other two.