Is this a carry?

[Bradford82]

Little debate on a call last night on a pickup game.

I was dribbling the ball and saw a guy open and went to pass it one handed. I don't know how but i dribbled the ball a little hard right before I tryed to one hand pass it and completely missed the ball and the ball bounced up to around shoulder level or a little higher.. My hand went under the ball not touching it and then came back down and i regained my dribble off the bounce and no steps were taken. Some kid called me for carrying.

My defense was i didn't even have control of the ball or touch it between the time it bounced off the floor and it hit hit the floor again.

Now I did a little research here and I found a website that has missunderstood rules.

http://www.dallasref.com/Resources/B...ball_rules.pdf

8) Palming or carrying is when a player gains an advantage when the ball comes to rest in the player's hand,
and the player either travels with the ball, or dribbles a second time. There is no restriction as to how high a
player may bounce the ball, provided the ball does not come to rest in a player’s hand. Steps taken during a
dribble are not traveling, including several that are sometimes taken when a high dribble takes place. It is not
possible for a player to travel during a dribble.

So if im reading this right that was not a carry correct?

[representing]

Originally Posted by Bradford82

Little debate on a call last night on a pickup game.

I was dribbling the ball and saw a guy open and went to pass it one handed. I don't know how but i dribbled the ball a little hard right before I tryed to one hand pass it and completely missed the ball and the ball bounced up to around shoulder level or a little higher.. My hand went under the ball not touching it and then came back down and i regained my dribble off the bounce and no steps were taken. Some kid called me for carrying.

My defense was i didn't even have control of the ball or touch it between the time it bounced off the floor and it hit hit the floor again.

Now I did a little research here and I found a website that has missunderstood rules.

http://www.dallasref.com/Resources/B...ball_rules.pdf

8) Palming or carrying is when a player gains an advantage when the ball comes to rest in the player's hand,
and the player either travels with the ball, or dribbles a second time. There is no restriction as to how high a
player may bounce the ball, provided the ball does not come to rest in a player’s hand. Steps taken during a
dribble are not traveling, including several that are sometimes taken when a high dribble takes place. It is not
possible for a player to travel during a dribble.

So if im reading this right that was not a carry correct?

If you did exactly what you said you did, you are correct that it is not a carry. But I would have had to be there to see it myself

[BktBallRef]

Bouncing the ball high is not palming/carrying. As long as you kept your hand on top of the ball....nothing.

[JPaco54]

If it looked like a carry it was a carry. The KID in his judgement, as he was there and saw it, called it as he saw it, you missed the ball and gained an advantage, as he saw it, whether it is a legal carry or not. Or, as you secured the ball to pass it, you took an extra step, therefore he could have called a travel as well, in his judgement. By definition as you described per the rules, it may not have been a carry. You can not argue his call, it was his judgement as he saw it.

[mbyron]

Ugly is not a violation.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by JPaco54

If it looked like a carry it was a carry.

Wow.

[harmbu]

I have printed off the list of misunderstood rules. I have asked my administration for permission to post them in our gym lobby with signs that say: "Learn these rules before you decide to criticize the game officials." and "Go to: (our state association's web site) to apply to become an official if you can doa better job and want the "easy money" that these ladies and gentlemen get."

[representing]

Originally Posted by harmbu

I have printed off the list of misunderstood rules. I have asked my administration for permission to post them in our gym lobby with signs that say: "Learn these rules before you decide to criticize the game officials." and "Go to: (our state association's web site) to apply to become an official if you can doa better job and want the "easy money" that these ladies and gentlemen get."

I've wanted to hang a sign on my back with something like this for biddy rec games. Those games at my local school district are absolutely bad to do and not worth the $20 we get paid per games. Coaches are horrible, parents are horrible, and it's only one referee with a coach of a neutral team forced to volunteer ref with the one certified ref. And what's funny is that the coach will come to me before the game and say "well, I don't know the rules like you do, but I'll try my best". Then I'll get that coach in the next game and he'll be yelling all over the place as if he did know the rules better than I did. I hate ref'ing that rec league, but I do it anyways, because it's for the kids, not for me, the coaches, etc.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JPaco54

If it looked like a carry it was a carry.

I agree.

But, only because it was a pickup game and who knows WTF the rules are.

[JPaco54]

I think we understand the issue here...the KID called him for carrying. It wasn't about the violation, it was about the KID. Maybe a power struggle of some sort. B82, It is OK, you really need to let it go, its OK...no really it is OK, just let it go.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by JPaco54

I think we understand the issue here...the KID called him for carrying. It wasn't about the violation, it was about the KID. Maybe a power struggle of some sort. B82, It is OK, you really need to let it go, its OK...no really it is OK, just let it go.

Except for the fact that the OP appears to be correct in that the official kicked the call. Why is everyone piling on the OP - he was correct in his explanation and he didn't violate.

[JPaco54]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I agree.

But, only because it was a pickup game and who knows WTF the rules are.

I really believe it is about the KID, one of our brother/sister officials. B82 found the rule,explanation before hand and just wants to take it out on the young official.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by JPaco54

I really believe it is about the KID, one of our brother/sister officials.

So right or wrong, we beat up people asking questions if they question an official's knowledge of the rules?

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I agree.

But, only because it was a pickup game and who knows WTF the rules are.

Bob,
Have you been taking lessons from Mark? Caught me off guard with that one!!(true as it is)

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Bouncing the ball high is not palming/carrying. As long as you kept your hand on top of the ball....nothing.

I don't care if you put your hand under the ball. As long as it doesn't come to rest there. On top/side/bottom doesn't matter.