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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 02:15pm
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Huh? Part of the OP's argument against Parrish is that he (Parrish) had no knowledge of what Altman actually said to Gaston. Yet the OP asserts that Altman "earned" the T. Was the OP within earshoot of this particular conversation? Let's be consistent. All the other stuff I agree with.
Seriously??? The author of the article has no clue about officiating. The OP and almost everyone else on here has a clue. What the OP is saying is that he is giving Gaston the benefit of the doubt as we as officials know that we take the issuance of such a penalty seriously (especially in game sitch as described) and don't just hand them out. Officials spend way to much time, money and effort in getting the big games that they aren't going to pi$$ that away giving a soft tech in a game deciding moment. I happen to know two of the three members on this crew personally, Gaston being one of the two and I know he conducted himself professionally, and within the spirit of the game. I can promise you that if the coach would have listened to the crew/ Gaston and let his complaint go when he was told that that was enough he would not have "earned" his T. Instead he opted to keep on with it and got burned.
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 02:42pm
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Seriously??? The author of the article has no clue about officiating. The OP and almost everyone else on here has a clue. What the OP is saying is that he is giving Gaston the benefit of the doubt as we as officials know that we take the issuance of such a penalty seriously (especially in game sitch as described) and don't just hand them out. Officials spend way to much time, money and effort in getting the big games that they aren't going to pi$$ that away giving a soft tech in a game deciding moment. I happen to know two of the three members on this crew personally, Gaston being one of the two and I know he conducted himself professionally, and within the spirit of the game. I can promise you that if the coach would have listened to the crew/ Gaston and let his complaint go when he was told that that was enough he would not have "earned" his T. Instead he opted to keep on with it and got burned.

Agreed, officials at this level know how to manage a game and I'm confident without knowing any particulars, Altman deserved it.
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 03:12pm
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Seriously??? The author of the article has no clue about officiating. The OP and almost everyone else on here has a clue. What the OP is saying is that he is giving Gaston the benefit of the doubt as we as officials know that we take the issuance of such a penalty seriously (especially in game sitch as described) and don't just hand them out. Officials spend way to much time, money and effort in getting the big games that they aren't going to pi$$ that away giving a soft tech in a game deciding moment. I happen to know two of the three members on this crew personally, Gaston being one of the two and I know he conducted himself professionally, and within the spirit of the game. I can promise you that if the coach would have listened to the crew/ Gaston and let his complaint go when he was told that that was enough he would not have "earned" his T. Instead he opted to keep on with it and got burned.
While I agree you're most likely correct, it's foolish of us to assume with 100% certainty that the official didn't get trigger happy. We're more likely right than Parrish, but officials have made bad calls before, and they will again. While I think it's likely Altman earned his T, it's possible he didn't.

Parrish was wrong to write the column. We're wrong to assume with certainty that the official was correct.
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 06:04pm
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While I agree you're most likely correct, it's foolish of us to assume with 100% certainty that the official didn't get trigger happy. We're more likely right than Parrish, but officials have made bad calls before, and they will again. While I think it's likely Altman earned his T, it's possible he didn't.

Parrish was wrong to write the column. We're wrong to assume with certainty that the official was correct.
It makes no difference what we think. We're not the ones writing a newspaper or Internet article about a subject that we have absolutely no expertise in. We're not the ones misleading the public with myths and innuendo.
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Old Thu Dec 17, 2009, 12:42pm
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While I agree you're most likely correct, it's foolish of us to assume with 100% certainty that the official didn't get trigger happy. We're more likely right than Parrish, but officials have made bad calls before, and they will again. While I think it's likely Altman earned his T, it's possible he didn't.

Parrish was wrong to write the column. We're wrong to assume with certainty that the official was correct.
Someone told me a long time ago...."When you roll the dice, you just might crap out." It really does not matter if the official was trigger happy or not. All that matters is did the player/coach do something that is outlawed by the rules? If that is the case, you might run into the wrong person that might just take action. As a player or coach, you need to be aware that not everyone is going to give you a pass. It is like when you speed in one community and you never get a speeding ticket for going 5 miles over the speed limit, but you run into another community and you do get a ticket. You were wrong in both situations; one of those situations the powers that be took action.

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Old Thu Dec 17, 2009, 01:16pm
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It's always the late game T...

I can't comment on the TF being warranted or not because I don't have the facts.

The facts I do have is that Creighton committed 16 turnovers and 26 fouls which I guess doesn't have an affect on their ability to score points!?!?

So, obviously, the TF had to decide the game because they otherwise played a perfect game!
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