Those mean, mean officials!

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

Seriously??? The author of the article has no clue about officiating. The OP and almost everyone else on here has a clue. What the OP is saying is that he is giving Gaston the benefit of the doubt as we as officials know that we take the issuance of such a penalty seriously (especially in game sitch as described) and don't just hand them out. Officials spend way to much time, money and effort in getting the big games that they aren't going to pi$$ that away giving a soft tech in a game deciding moment. I happen to know two of the three members on this crew personally, Gaston being one of the two and I know he conducted himself professionally, and within the spirit of the game. I can promise you that if the coach would have listened to the crew/ Gaston and let his complaint go when he was told that that was enough he would not have "earned" his T. Instead he opted to keep on with it and got burned.

While I agree you're most likely correct, it's foolish of us to assume with 100% certainty that the official didn't get trigger happy. We're more likely right than Parrish, but officials have made bad calls before, and they will again. While I think it's likely Altman earned his T, it's possible he didn't.

Parrish was wrong to write the column. We're wrong to assume with certainty that the official was correct.

[fullor30]

Creighton was up 72-70 on Saturday at George Mason when Justin Carter was called for a block with 18 seconds remaining. Like any coach would, Dana Altman protested the block/charge call, at which point Gaston hit Altman with a technical foul. So George Mason got two technical free throws, and Luke Hancock made them both. Then Cam Long, who was fouled on the play, hit one of two free throws to give George Mason a 73-72 lead.

Creighton, clearly rattled, turned the ball over on the ensuing possession.

Am I missing something? Ensuing means immediately following. It would be GM's ball following T.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Creighton was up 72-70 on Saturday at George Mason when Justin Carter was called for a block with 18 seconds remaining. Like any coach would, Dana Altman protested the block/charge call, at which point Gaston hit Altman with a technical foul. So George Mason got two technical free throws, and Luke Hancock made them both. Then Cam Long, who was fouled on the play, hit one of two free throws to give George Mason a 73-72 lead.

Creighton, clearly rattled, turned the ball over on the ensuing possession.

Am I missing something? Ensuing means immediately following. It would be GM's ball following T.

No, GMU would have shot 2 free throws for the 'T' with the line cleared and then the POI would be the 2 "live" free throws for the original block call.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

This was just sent to Mr. Parrish...

And the response:

Link

In a nutshell, Parrish still thinks the T was stupid, and even more so since the MVC commish came out and said the same.

If I was Gaston, I'd never work a game for the MVC again.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fiasco

And the response:

Link

In a nutshell, Parrish still thinks the T was stupid, and even more so since the MVC commish came out and said the same.

If I was Gaston, I'd never work a game for the MVC again.

Commissioner Elgin is nothing more than an administrator. It is quite possible (or probable) he has no background in officiating and/or basketball.

He is also a commissioner whose team lost a bracket-buster game, he is not exactly a "neutral observer".

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Commissioner Elgin is nothing more than an administrator. It is quite possible (or probable) he has no background in officiating and/or basketball.

He is also a commissioner whose team lost a bracket-buster game, he is not exactly a "neutral observer".

Agreed. The logic which Parrish is using to prove his point is rather weak.

But, should we be surprised?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

While I agree you're most likely correct, it's foolish of us to assume with 100% certainty that the official didn't get trigger happy. We're more likely right than Parrish, but officials have made bad calls before, and they will again. While I think it's likely Altman earned his T, it's possible he didn't.

Parrish was wrong to write the column. We're wrong to assume with certainty that the official was correct.

It makes no difference what we think. We're not the ones writing a newspaper or Internet article about a subject that we have absolutely no expertise in. We're not the ones misleading the public with myths and innuendo.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Creighton was up 72-70 on Saturday at George Mason when Justin Carter was called for a block with 18 seconds remaining. Like any coach would, Dana Altman protested the block/charge call, at which point Gaston hit Altman with a technical foul. So George Mason got two technical free throws, and Luke Hancock made them both. Then Cam Long, who was fouled on the play, hit one of two free throws to give George Mason a 73-72 lead.

Creighton, clearly rattled, turned the ball over on the ensuing possession.

Am I missing something? Ensuing means immediately following. It would be GM's ball following T.

NCAA rules, sir. Unsporting Ts go to POI. Light bulb getting any electricity yet?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

This was just sent to Mr. Parrish... I am much like the OP, I know they are clueless but my blood boils when people spout off as experts regarding stuff they know nothing about. Sorry but I could not help myself!!!

You get the Irresponsible Journalist Award for the week (and the competition is stiff these days). Congratulations!!! Just because the game is near the end and tight does not give the coach license to run his mouth, be unsporting and berate an official. The coach cost his team a chance to win, not the T administered by the official. This is the kind of drivel that people read and then think it is socially acceptable to behave in unsporting ways because the game is close. Get real. How are you qualified to assess an official's body of work? Is it because of your vast knowledge of officiating rules and philosophy that you have attained over the years spending thousands of dollars of your own money and months at a time in the offseason at training clinics? Is it the hours you have spent reading over the Rule book and CCA Manual each year (bet you don't even know what "CCA" is without Google)? Is it the hours you've spent studying case plays and discussing various plays over the years with your officiating supervisors and colleagues? Please enlighten me on your qualifications to judge the quality of officiating? I will not hold my breath for a response as I know you have none of the above... nor do you have the capacity to formulate a reasonable response based on the elementary school writing I have experienced in your other articles. Stick to writing about what you do know about... I am not sure what that is, but it isn't officiating.

My nomination for Post of the Week.

[Welpe]

From the response:

Because what I lack in referee training I make up for in common sense, and common sense should tell an official that a technical doesn't need to be called in that situation, not with the game on the line, not unless it's absolutely unavoidable

If he really thinks none of those things are necessary, I'd love to see this guy work a middle school game.

[rockyroad]

I guess Mr. Parrish, the MVC Commish, the coach, and the others didn't see the latest memo from John Adams...


TO: NCAA Divisions I, II and III Coordinators of Men’s Basketball Officials.

FROM: John W. Adams, National Coordinator of Men’s Basketball Officiating.

SUBJECT: Bulletin No. 1 and December 8, 2009, Teleconference Follow-Up.

1. So far this season, there seems to be an unwillingness to address shameful sideline behavior by coaches. I observed unacceptable behavior over Thanksgiving weekend that went unpunished, time after time. I attribute it to how some of the early season tournaments are assigned and also the unwillingness of some officials to ever address egregious sideline antics. Please remind the officials you assign, no matter what the venue, that you expect them to be fair and enforce all the rules evenly
throughout the game. Members of the NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Committee, NCAA staff, the regional advisors and I are constantly monitoring games and noting the names of officials who refuse
to address or penalize unacceptable side line behavior. Quite honestly, I thought this issue was behind us. Please stress to the officials you coordinate that their job is not to be “nice guys” but rather
to create and manage a fair environment from 30 minutes before the game starts until the conclusion of the game. Please support those officials that handle things the “right way.”

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I guess Mr. Parrish, the MVC Commish, the coach, and the others didn't see the latest memo from John Adams...


TO: NCAA Divisions I, II and III Coordinators of Men’s Basketball Officials.

FROM: John W. Adams, National Coordinator of Men’s Basketball Officiating.

SUBJECT: Bulletin No. 1 and December 8, 2009, Teleconference Follow-Up.

1. So far this season, there seems to be an unwillingness to address shameful sideline behavior by coaches. I observed unacceptable behavior over Thanksgiving weekend that went unpunished, time after time. I attribute it to how some of the early season tournaments are assigned and also the unwillingness of some officials to ever address egregious sideline antics. Please remind the officials you assign, no matter what the venue, that you expect them to be fair and enforce all the rules evenly
throughout the game. Members of the NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Committee, NCAA staff, the regional advisors and I are constantly monitoring games and noting the names of officials who refuse
to address or penalize unacceptable side line behavior. Quite honestly, I thought this issue was behind us. Please stress to the officials you coordinate that their job is not to be “nice guys” but rather
to create and manage a fair environment from 30 minutes before the game starts until the conclusion of the game. Please support those officials that handle things the “right way.”

Adams can pontificate all he wants, but reality is something entirely other.

I'm being squeezed out of a conference (it seems) because I took care of some egregious behavior. I called a late game technical last season when a coach refused to give me a substitute after a disqualifying foul, even after we had a second horn. While I can't be certain this is why I'm getting the squeeze, it's the only possible thing I can point to from last season.

So people have a choice to make. They can work their 120 game regular season schedules (like Steve Welmer) or they can sit home during non-conference stuff and potentially even conference stuff (since the commissioners may not use you anymore if you TCB and the coach whines enough).

If the NCAA took over the assigning, then Adams could talk as though he has some actual authority or control over the regular season. Till then, he can only withhold tournament assignments.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Welpe

From the response:



If he really thinks none of those things are necessary, I'd love to see this guy work a middle school game.

It has to be at a catholic school. I am a catholic and those parents may be the worst as a whole.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

NCAA rules, sir. Unsporting Ts go to POI. Light bulb getting any electricity yet?

I'm sorry, I don't officiate NCAA. That's why I asked.

A little crisp today aren't we? Everything OK? Another sleepless night perhaps?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

While I agree you're most likely correct, it's foolish of us to assume with 100% certainty that the official didn't get trigger happy. We're more likely right than Parrish, but officials have made bad calls before, and they will again. While I think it's likely Altman earned his T, it's possible he didn't.

Parrish was wrong to write the column. We're wrong to assume with certainty that the official was correct.

Someone told me a long time ago...."When you roll the dice, you just might crap out." It really does not matter if the official was trigger happy or not. All that matters is did the player/coach do something that is outlawed by the rules? If that is the case, you might run into the wrong person that might just take action. As a player or coach, you need to be aware that not everyone is going to give you a pass. It is like when you speed in one community and you never get a speeding ticket for going 5 miles over the speed limit, but you run into another community and you do get a ticket. You were wrong in both situations; one of those situations the powers that be took action.

Peace