4th foul

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Okay, JAR, see if you can follow me here...

Exactly which words, which phrases in the statement "The fifth foul should be good" imply anything about the first four fouls? Yes, the word "good" is a relative term, it implies a comparison. But the implied comparison is only between a good or bad fifth foul.

The statement you are criticizing does not, in fact, imply anything at all about the first four fouls. What you have chosen to infer from that statement, well that's your doing.

The fact that this thread repeatedly refers specifically to the fifth foul, as opposed to fouls in general, still indicates that the fifth may be considered to be worthy of different consideration from the first four.

Consider this. If a player picks up two quick fouls early in the game, the third foul now becomes the one that "better be a good one" if it happens soon afterward.

All this is further complicated when some fans/coaches/officials bring up the "star player" as part of the equation of what is or is not a "good foul."

Bottom line is that I see all this discussion as ripe to be misconstrued.

"Didja see on the officiating board? Those guys said they won't call the fifth foul on the star unless he draws blood! I knew something funny was going on."

Don't ask. Don't tell.

[Back In The Saddle]

I've read your post three times now. I still have no clue what you're getting at. But I don't really care. I gave a kid his fifth foul tonight. It was a good one. So were the other four.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I've read your post three times now. I still have no clue what you're getting at. But I don't really care. I gave a kid his fifth foul tonight. It was a good one. So were the other four.

So you treated all five alike. I'm all for that.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I've read your post three times now. I still have no clue what you're getting at. But I don't really care. I gave a kid his fifth foul tonight. It was a good one. So were the other four.

Originally Posted by just another ref

So you treated all five alike. I'm all for that.

I fouled out a player tonight as well. And when I called that foul, I made sure it was there. Just like I made sure every other call I made that night near the end of the game was there. And no I do not treat all parts of the game the same, because they are not treated the same by everyone participating. But then again I have been told I have pretty good judgment, so it is not hard for me to focus near the end of the game and call what is truly there instead of what might not be there or is terrible. But that is me, it may not be you.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I fouled out a player tonight as well. And when I called that foul, I made sure it was there. Just like I made sure every other call I made that night near the end of the game was there. And no I do not treat all parts of the game the same, because they are not treated the same by everyone participating. But then again I have been told I have pretty good judgment, so it is not hard for me to focus near the end of the game and call what is truly there instead of what might not be there or is terrible. But that is me, it may not be you.

Peace

I fouled out several players last night. Wasn't aware, until after the fact, that any of the players had four. Nobody complained on any of them. So, did I make a point of making sure the fifth fouls were "good ones?" No. It just took care of itself, as it should.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I fouled out several players last night. Wasn't aware, until after the fact, that any of the players had four. Nobody complained on any of them. So, did I make a point of making sure the fifth fouls were "good ones?" No. It just took care of itself, as it should.

And I knew last night and it has been an issue in the past. So what changed by using your logic? Absolutely nothing. And that is the point.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And I knew last night and it has been an issue in the past.

What, specifically, has been an issue?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I fouled out several players last night.

Officials don't foul out players. Players foul out.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I fouled out a player tonight as well.

Originally Posted by just another ref

I fouled out several players last night.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Officials don't foul out players. Players foul out.

Just tryin' to speak the language. It's a challenge.