Jewelry rule causes yelling

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by ref3808

I have two children with HA's, both played basketball at various levels, youth, travel, AAU. Though I believe the risk of injury to be zero and they could have easily played with the HA's, they chose not to because sweat was too damaging to the HA. (a set of good digital aids is about $5,000 - $6,000 and not normally covered by insurance) Coaches were fine with hand signals to call plays, their teammates knew to make sure they were aware what was being run.

Only one official over many years, thinking that my son wasn't "playing the whiste" ever said "Son, are you deaf?". To which he replied, "No sir, just hard of hearing". The official couldn't have been more apologetic.

I have not had direct experience with CI's but I've read a lot about them. The substantial risk factor is not injury from the wire itself. Parents of children with CI's are usually advised to avoid contact sports, such as football, where head injury occurs with higher frequency. Internal damage from a blow might only be correctable through additional surgery. (the literature on this is pretty easy to find with a simple Google search) Of course I've seen my share of head-on-head contact during loose balls and kids going down during rebound action and hitting the floor hard. I can't quantify the risk from that.

Having had two hearinig impaired children I understand the importance attached to their participation in sports with their peers and "not feeling different" from the other children.

Having said all of that, it seems that the burden here is on the rules makers to determine if CI's are allowable.

Anything having to do with craniotomy is done, the risk is higher afterwards of any neurological injury, even a slight smack to the head could cause problems.

For more information about Cochlear Implants:
Cochlear implant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A similar thing can be said of those with ICDs (Implanted Cardiac Devices). For example, a person with a pacemaker could be playing basketball & during rough post play the pacemaker could become dislodged.

With anything, there's a risk of injury, generally it comes down to the person's exact reasoning for having the device/implant & the doctor overseeing their care on whether they can participate or not.

[bbcoach7]

Originally Posted by chseagle

When I'm doing scoreboard/timer, I'm neutral, I'll report either team if I see an infraction.
I have told the floor officials that I've worked with, that although I may be at volunteering at my alma mater, I am neutral & will report what I've seen if it doesn't correspond to rules/regulations no matter who the team. They appreciate that

A couple weeks back at our varsity (home) tournamant, during our home team's game, while the opponent is in possession of the ball, I hear someone over at the scorers table counting out loudly, "seven, six, five, four, three,..." as the shot clock counts down. I look over there, and it's the frikin official scorer! WTF?!?!?

Our guy has been doing this job for us a long time, and never heard that out of him before. Someone might have said something to him, as he didn't do it again. I know the guy. We're actually lucky to have him. He's kind of slow, but is very meticulous and takes his job very seriously. He's actually perfect for the job because he seems to feel it's the most important task on the planet. And to him, I suppose it is.

SOrt of off topic I guess. I'm just glad he doesn't look for other things like bobbie pins, untucked jerseys, bra straps, etc. that would be obnoxious

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

A couple weeks back at our varsity (home) tournamant, during our home team's game, while the opponent is in possession of the ball, I hear someone over at the scorers table counting out loudly, "seven, six, five, four, three,..." as the shot clock counts down. I look over there, and it's the frikin official scorer! WTF?!?!?

Our guy has been doing this job for us a long time, and never heard that out of him before. Someone might have said something to him, as he didn't do it again. I know the guy. We're actually lucky to have him. He's kind of slow, but is very meticulous and takes his job very seriously. He's actually perfect for the job because he seems to feel it's the most important task on the planet. And to him, I suppose it is.

SOrt of off topic I guess. I'm just glad he doesn't look for other things like bobbie pins, untucked jerseys, bra straps, etc. that would be obnoxious

Like I have mentioned in previous posts, I am getting more & more into doing the "out of sight, out of mind" when it comes to anything uniform related. Only if I deem it a safety hazard anymore do I say anything. The incident with the bobbie pins in the hair, the floor officials were glad that I did see that & report it.

He could of been doing the shot clock countdown as the floor officials didn't notice the time left or the shot clock buzzer isn't very loud.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Like I have mentioned in previous posts, I am getting more & more into doing the "out of sight, out of mind" when it comes to anything uniform related. Only if I deem it a safety hazard anymore do I say anything. The incident with the bobbie pins in the hair, the floor officials were glad that I did see that & report it.

He could of been doing the shot clock countdown as the floor officials didn't notice the time left or the shot clock buzzer isn't very loud.

It's not your job to deem it anything. Quit worrying about it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

He could of been doing the shot clock countdown as the floor officials didn't notice the time left or the shot clock buzzer isn't very loud.

He might HAVE been doing it for that reason, but he shoudn't HAVE been doing it for that reason. He must HAVE been confused about his role.

He could HAVE been doing it if the shot clock wasn't working and he was doing it for both teams and with prior arrangement with the teams and the officials.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chseagle

He could of been doing the shot clock countdown as the floor officials didn't notice the time left or the shot clock buzzer isn't very loud.

1) Why does it matter if the officials know how much time is left?

2) How does he know whether or not the officials knew how much time is left?

[bball_lurker]

Girls JV game last night, lining up for the free throw. All of a sudden, ref throws a T. I thought it was a girl making comments about the foul call. But nope, turns out one girl had a barrett (sp?) in. I've never seen that get T'd, seems happen about once a game JV, once every 3 games V, but usually they just stop play and tell them to take it out.

Anyone ever T'd over a bobby pin/barrett?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by bball_lurker

Girls JV game last night, lining up for the free throw. All of a sudden, ref throws a T. I thought it was a girl making comments about the foul call. But nope, turns out one girl had a barrett (sp?) in. I've never seen that get T'd, seems happen about once a game JV, once every 3 games V, but usually they just stop play and tell them to take it out.

Anyone ever T'd over a bobby pin/barrett?

Nope. And shouldn't since there is no provision to penalize it with a technical foul. Simply have the player leave the game, and tell her she can't play with the pin in.

[Adam]

No, I haven't. The rules don't allow for it. The rule says she can't play, it's not punishable by a T.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bball_lurker

Girls JV game last night, lining up for the free throw. All of a sudden, ref throws a T. I thought it was a girl making comments about the foul call. But nope, turns out one girl had a barrett (sp?) in. I've never seen that get T'd, seems happen about once a game JV, once every 3 games V, but usually they just stop play and tell them to take it out.

Anyone ever T'd over a bobby pin/barrett?

Don't blame the official, blame the official scorekeeper and/or crowd control. He/they should have seen the items and notified the official before the T could be issued.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by bball_lurker

Anyone ever T'd over a bobby pin/barrett?

"Coach, I need another one. This one's not ready to play" and I send em off. That's all for me.

I had a play once. BJV game. ~40 secs left as I recall. H down by plenty and coach clears his bench for V's two free-throws. I'm T (two-man) and as I'm observing the first free-throws I notice H2 has a chain on. After first free-throw. TWEEET! "Coach, I need another one. This one's not ready to play" and I sent him off.

Coach sent him to the end of the bench and although he had the opportunity to get him back in the game he didn't.

I always wondered if mom and dad were there watching the game and what they thought......

[Thumper68]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Don't blame the official, blame the official scorekeeper and/or crowd control. He/they should have seen the items and notified the official before the T could be issued.

Or he should have least correct the R, and said that is not a T. ROFLOL.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Don't blame the official, blame the official scorekeeper and/or crowd control. He/they should have seen the items and notified the official before the T could be issued.

Youch! Good catch!

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bball_lurker

Anyone ever T'd over a bobby pin/barrett?

I had a partner do that several years ago, before I knew it was not punishable by a T.

I saw a varsity crew last night issue a T because the home team did not mark their starters. Then they chose not to add one to the team foul count (they couldn't remember whether it was a team foul).

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I'm glad nothing bad happened, but I hope you realize that this little disclaimer was a waste of breath and wouldn't last 10 seconds in court, had something untoward occurred.

Actually having a verbal agreement with the youths guardian and a witness is acceptable in court. As long as you can prove you did your due diligence to get all the facts and warn against it. It is just much harder to enforce or defend than the written word.

Reasonable Persons test - Defined as conduct that is better than average but less than perfect.

Straight from my lawyers mouth to the thread. (Canadian law here but very similar if not the same as US Law)