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As the game progressed, I found myself looking to the visitor bookkeeper, who regularly made eye contact and could predict what I was going to ask (correct arrow at quarter, impending bonus, how many time outs). As the game winded down, my partner reported what was the 5th foul for a girl and learned that from the visitor bookkeeper. He knew and held up a hand as my partner was reporting the foul since he expected who it would be called on. I connected with my partner shortly after that we need to confirm with the official bookkeeper (not the more engaging person) for her records. |
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Sometimes it is more difficult to work with the more experienced scorer who thinks he/she knows what going on too much. The worst thing I see is when I go to report a foul and the scorer is not even looking at me, but already writing in the book.
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If I do it early it usually doesn't happen too much after that.
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In my example, I was neither the scoreboard/timer or scorebook, I was just shot clock operator.
Concerning the reporting issue, when I hear the whistle & see the stop clock sign with reporting official coming towards table, I am always looking at the official for the information. More often than not now, Other than doing shot clock for Girls' Varsity, I hadn't had any experience doing Varsity Scoreboard/Timing until I did WIAA 4A Regionals last year. From that experience, I can see how a person doing Varsity games can become distracted with everything going on around them. I used that experience of assisting at the 4A Regionals as a way to grade myself on what I should or sholdn't be doing differently. My first game there, I had a real test as we had a non-functioning scoreboard & had to use stopwatches for timing devices & use the PA Announcer to announce the score, fouls, shot clock & time expiration. Working on that sitch, made me see things differently & made me realize that doing any position at the table can be a test of abilities. My thinking behind starting this thread was to get some input on what everyone's thoughts were concerning the table & experience. |
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try this analogy
Evaluating the table personnel at the start of the game is like checking your tires when you leave on a trip. If you have new ones, great. If one or more is obviously less than perfect, you just have to hope you make it ok.
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I asked about a person being current regulations, compared to someone who's going off of regulations that are 5-10 years old, because basically that's the circumstance that's going on with the person doing the scoreboard/timing for Varsity at my alma mater. She does a good job with continual communication between herself & the scorebooks, but she is buzzing at the wrong time for time-outs, & she doesn't hit the 1-minute warning buzzer for intermissions. Also she seems to know how to do shoit clock although I've never seen her do shot clock. When I'm doing scoreboard/timer & shot clock, I have print outs with me that show the rules/regulations for shot clock, timer, & scorebook. This way if any questions are asked about the procedure I have proof. So yes I have the experience, but I also keep with me the written proof in case I happen to have questions Considering I normally only do JV & C-Squad games, most of the time the person doing scorebook is a student with their friends/buddies sitting there next to them distracting them. (The home team has almost gotten technicals cause of it). I feel like others that the person doing scorebook should be an adult, not a student. Last edited by chseagle; Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 04:03pm. |
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We are very fortunate in our area. The officials association is also responsible for assigning the scorer and timers. They have to go through training just as officials do. We have our veteran scorers and timers train and then they go and practice at scrimmages. When they finally do high school games if they are new they are assigned with a veteran. They are paid very well and for the most part do a great job. Our regional and state games are also chosen from these scorers and timers with others from different areas.
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What would be the proper procedure to suggest this to the Sate &/or Officials Associations here? I am asking as this setup has everyone on the same page & rules/regulations. I would like to have the opportunity to do State Championship games as well, so I can broaden my experience. |
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I had a preseason meeting with the School AD & mentioned to him that some of the rules/regulations she was going off of were slightly outdated. How I understand things he is going to print out some of the new rules/regulations & go over those with her. One of the games where I did Girls' Varsity Shot Clock, she tried telling me when to do a clock reset which should not of happened cause of the missed shot (didn't hit the rim), the play should of been a shot clock violation, yet it never got called cause of the reset. At the next time-out I showed her the printed Shot Clock regulations & the R came over as well and verified my information. (The time-out happened right after the play). I don't mind volunteering doing scoreboard/timer & shot clock, as I see it as doing a service to my alma mater. Depending on what happens with the addition of Boys' 35-second shot clock here in Washington, I might end up doing more Varsity Games as Shot Clock Operator. Last edited by chseagle; Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 07:46pm. |
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Not something I worry about or control. I have had people that claim they are very experienced and those are the people that cause us the most problems.
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I may have experience, but I'm also wanting to learn more. Like I mentioned in earlier postings, I have copies with me of the Instructions to Scorers & Timers with me, in case I do get jammed up somehow. I also am asking the floor officials questions if I do not understand something, or misinterpret.
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You're issue seems to be that you want to work varsity games but there's already someone in that position. You seem to want to build yourself up to us, while tearing the other person down. Unfortunately, we can't help you get the varsity job. Even if we could, that's not the correct way to go about it. And it's not going to help you with the people who do make the decision either. Do your job, don't worry about others, DON'T TEAR THEM DOWN TO OTHERS and if you're deserving, the position will eventually be yours.
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One of the reasonings behind doing the WIAA 4A Regionals last year, was that I had as a reference the AD who has seen/watched me work scoreboard/timer during the JV & C-Squad games. Also my knowing the facilities that were being used helped a bit, as well as my never give up/can do attitude. During some of the JV & C-Squad games, I've had to wear multiple hats at once, Scoreboard/timer & crowd control at the same time. |
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