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Old Thu Nov 19, 2009, 03:23pm
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I would handle it according to 4.42.5, which seems to be your exact case.
So are you saying that option 1 where the ball touches or is legally touched in bounds is the situation that covers this? Violation option only covers the throw-in team.

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If Team B kicks the ball which is a violation, now Team A gets the ball out of bounds from the violation, not the Possesion Arrow so the P.A. is not switched.
Do you have a rule reference that supports not switching the possession arrow if B commits a kicking violation? Or a specific case from the case book?
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Old Thu Nov 19, 2009, 03:30pm
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So are you saying that option 1 where the ball touches or is legally touched in bounds is the situation that covers this? Violation option only covers the throw-in team.


Do you have a rule reference that supports not switching the possession arrow if B commits a kicking violation? Or a specific case from the case book?
The violation for kicking the ball happens before the throw-in ends.

9-4's penalty says that the ball is dead when the violation occurs and awarded to the opponents for a throw-in at the designated spot nearest the violation.

It's no longer an AP throw-in following the violation.
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Old Thu Nov 19, 2009, 03:33pm
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The key here is that NFHS has determined the arrow entitles a team to a complete throwin, not just the start of a throwin. This is why it matters when the throwin ends.

And I think it's an unfortunate loophole that while A will have used their arrow if they commit a throwin violation, they retain it if they commit a foul.
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Old Thu Nov 19, 2009, 03:32pm
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So are you saying that option 1 where the ball touches or is legally touched in bounds is the situation that covers this? Violation option only covers the throw-in team.


Do you have a rule reference that supports not switching the possession arrow if B commits a kicking violation? Or a specific case from the case book?
As mbyron said the case book covers it specifically.
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