back court violation in bounds question

[Back In The Saddle]

According to the "rocket ship" diagram, a violation in the lane results in a base line throw-in.

[daveg144]

Thanks for the clarification.

[Nevadaref]

I agree with all of the previous answers, except note that the proper term is END LINE.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I agree with all of the previous answers, except note that the proper term is END LINE.

I looked for "END LINE. " in the rule book, and couldn't find it. Of course, I couldn't find base line either.

[Time2Ref]

1-2: Sidelines, End Lines

Art. 1...The playing court shall be marked with sidelines, end lines and other lines as shown on the appended court diagram........

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by Time2Ref

1-2: Sidelines, End Lines

Art. 1...The playing court shall be marked with sidelines, end lines and other lines as shown on the appended court diagram........

When describing the two lines that run perpendicular to the sidelines and running completely from one sideline to the other sideline approximately 4 feet behind the front of the backboard TO A REFEREE OR WHEN CONVERSING WITH A REFEREE use the term "end line."

When discussing these same two lines with a COACH (or most any other basketball person) using the term "baseline" is more common.

Know your audience and speak accordingly.

[mbyron]

I've never had a coach say, "'End line'? What's that?"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by daveg144

I've always inbounded the ball on the side after a backcourt violation and after a quick look in the book, I can't find a clear answer.

Originally Posted by sseltser

It's just like any other violation. The violation occurred when the ball was touched by A in the backcourt. Put the ball back in play at the nearest spot to the violation. If the nearest spot is the baseline, then so be it. BillyMac probably has a myth about the throw-in for a backcourt violation always being at the division line.

It's not currently on the list, but I'll consider it.

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

According to the "rocket ship" diagram, a violation in the lane results in a base line throw-in.

I've never heard it called the "rocket ship" diagram before, but I like it.
"The Rocket Ship Diagram" © 2009, Back In The Saddle
I could have stolen it, but I didn't, so be sure that I get my 10%.

[BillyMac]

sseltser: I've considered it, and have decided to add it to The Most Misunderstood Basketball Rules list. Congratulations. You are now an official member of the mythbusters. I will soon be sending you your badge, and your secret decoder ring.



How does this sound guys? Any mistakes? Does this cover most designated throwin spots?

After a violation, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throwin from the designated out of bounds spot nearest the violation. This is especially true for a backcourt violation, where the ball may not necessarily be put in play at the division line, but, rather, is always put back in play at the spot nearest the violation. After an official's accidental whistle, an interrupted game, a double personal, double technical or simultaneous foul, or some correctable errors, play will be resumed at the point of interruption, i.e., a throwin to the team that was in control at a spot nearest to where the ball was located when the interruption occurred. After an intentional foul, a player control foul, a team control foul, or a common foul before the bonus rule is in effect, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throwin from the designated out of bounds spot nearest the foul. After a technical foul, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throwin from the designated out of bounds at the division line opposite the table.

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

common foul before the bonus rule is in effect, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throwin from the designated out of bounds spot nearest the foul.

There is an exception to this for a throw-in from anywhere along the endline.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by sseltser

There is an exception to this for a throw-in from anywhere along the endline.

Thanks for checking, but I'm not sure what you mean? Remember, this statement refers to a common foul before the bonus rule is in effect. A common foul is a personal foul which is neither flagrant nor intentional nor committed against a player trying or tapping for a field goal nor a part of a double, simultaneous or multiple foul. Example, please.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

.......a common foul before the bonus rule is in effect, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throwin from the designated out of bounds spot nearest the foul.

Originally Posted by sseltser

There is an exception to this for a throw-in from anywhere along the endline.

I assume he means that if team A commits a foul while a try is in the air, if the try is successful, team B's throw-in is from anywhere on the end line.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I assume he means that if team A commits a foul while a try is in the air, if the try is successful, team B's throw-in is from anywhere on the end line.

You mean a common foul against an opponent of a player committed by a teammate of a player in the act of shooting a ball, a ball that is in the air when the foul occurs, that eventually goes in the basket? Wow. Good catch sseltser, and just another ref. You guys are sharp. Thanks.

Since I just want to concentrate on designated spots in this section of the list, how's this change, in red:

After an intentional foul, a player control foul, a team control foul, or most common fouls before the bonus rule is in effect, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throwin from the designated out of bounds spot nearest the foul.

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I assume he means that if team A commits a foul while a try is in the air, if the try is successful, team B's throw-in is from anywhere on the end line.

Or if A has a throw-in from anywhere on the endline and B commits a foul during the throw-in such that the succeeding throw-in will be on the endline, then team A retains the right to throw-in from anywhere along the endline.

But BillyMac, I think that your change should fix it. (Or maybe I just opened a can of worms by thinking you already had this as a misunderstood rule.)

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

After a violation, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throwin from the designated out of bounds spot nearest the violation. This is especially true for a backcourt violation, where the ball may not necessarily be put in play at the division line, but, rather, is always put back in play at the spot nearest the violation. After an official's accidental whistle, an interrupted game, a double personal, double technical or simultaneous foul, or some correctable errors, play will be resumed at the point of interruption, i.e., a throwin to the team that was in control at a spot nearest to where the ball was located when the interruption occurred. After an intentional foul, a player control foul, a team control foul, or a common foul before the bonus rule is in effect, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throwin from the designated out of bounds spot nearest the foul. After a technical foul, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throwin from the designated out of bounds at the division line opposite the table.

This is not correct: the point of interruption can be a free throw or an AP arrow throw-in, as per 4-36.

Or perhaps you meant 'e.g.' instead of 'i.e.'...