3 feet Line

[BktBallRef]

There's nothing wrong with either question or rule. In older gyms where there may be only a foot between the sideline and bleachers. Both questions and rules would fit the situation.

Don't get hung up on shall and may. It's no big deal.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by wanja

A restraining line may be used as a boundary line when space is limited, and may extend the entire length or width of the court.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

There's nothing wrong with either question or rule. In older gyms where there may be only a foot between the sideline and bleachers. Both questions and rules would fit the situation.

I officiate a few Catholic middle games each season in a gym that looks more like a bowling alley than a basketball court. It has restraining lines running parallel to both sidelines. According to the question as stated by wanja, and to BktBallRef's post, a player dribbling near the sideline who touches the restraining line would be out of bounds since, according to wanja's posted question, the "restraining line may be used as a boundary line".

Sorry, I'm not calling that out of bounds. wanja's posted question, without any more information, like limiting the question to a throwin situation, as suggested by Camron Rust, is false. It appears that the NFHS does the same thing as IAABO, putting very tricky questions on their respective exams.

[Mark Padgett]

Our local kids rec league uses one MS gym that has boundary lines painted on the gym floor three feet in from the walls on both endlines, since there's not that much space on either end. All the kids who play there know what those lines mean and we only explain it to the coaches before each game and tell them to tell their kids. Usually, the coaches just nod their heads and say OK, since most of them have coached in that gym many times. Fortunately, it's the only gym we use that has that situation. And yes, this applies only to throw-ins.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I officiate a few Catholic middle games each season in a gym that looks more like a bowling alley than a basketball court. It has restraining lines running parallel to both sidelines. According to the question as stated by wanja, and to BktBallRef's post, a player dribbling near the sideline who touches the restraining line would be out of bounds since, according to wanja's posted question, the "restraining line may be used as a boundary line". Sorry, I'm not calling that out of bounds. wanja's posted question, without any more information, like limiting the question to a throwin situation, as suggested by Camron Rust, is false.

BillyMac: Your posts are so insightful. And I can tell from your writing style that you're probably a pretty handsome guy. You bring up an important point. As pointed out by mbyron, in discussing poorly worded rules and test questions, we'll get to know the rules pretty well. May we discuss this further? Like BillyMac, I also believe that the answer should be false.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

BillyMac: Your posts are so insightful. And I can tell from your writing style that you're probably a pretty handsome guy. You bring up an important point. As pointed out by mbyron, in discussing poorly worded rules and test questions, we'll get to know the rules pretty well. May we discuss this further? Like BillyMac, I also believe that the answer should be false.

Billy, it's just that all of us average people tend to ignore all the good-looking, intellegent ones.

If you look at the complete reading of 1-2-2, it says, "...This restraining line becomes the boundary line during a throw-in on that side or end, as in 7-6. It continues to be the boundary until the ball crosses the line." So, whether there's an actual, painted line on the court, or the official determines the imaginary line, it is only in effect during a throw-in, and ceases to exist once the ball crosses the line on the throw-in. It is only in effect for that side or end of the court, so any restraining lines on the sides are not in effect for a throw-in along the endline. Also, the restraining line extends the entire length of that particular sideline or endline, so all throw-in restrictions of players on the court are included. In your example of a player already in bounds, dribbling across that line, there really is no line there, according to the rules.

I believe the use of the word "may" in question 9 is because it is still the official's judgement as to whether to impose the restraining line during the throw-in.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

If you look at the complete reading of 1-2-2, it says, "This restraining line becomes the boundary line during a throw-in on that side or end, as in 7-6. It continues to be the boundary until the ball crosses the line." So, whether there's an actual, painted line on the court, or the official determines the imaginary line, it is only in effect during a throw-in, and ceases to exist once the ball crosses the line on the throw-in. It is only in effect for that side or end of the court, so any restraining lines on the sides are not in effect for a throw-in along the endline. Also, the restraining line extends the entire length of that particular sideline or endline, so all throw-in restrictions of players on the court are included. In your example of a player already in bounds, dribbling across that line, there really is no line there, according to the rules. I believe the use of the word "may" in question 9 is because it is still the official's judgment as to whether to impose the restraining line during the throw-in.

M&M Guy: There aren't too many of us good looking guys left on this Forum, now that Chuck Elias, and Jurassic Referee have "left the building". Thanks for your great explanation, but unfortunately you're "preaching to the choir". I already know that this restraining line is used only during a throwin when space is limited behind the player making the throwin. The point that I was trying to make is that the original question simply says "A restraining line may be used as a boundary line when space is limited, and may extend the entire length or width of the court", and I don't believe that there's enough information in those twenty-five words to make the question true. With more information about a throwin about to take place, yes, it's probably true, but otherwise it's false.