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I'm using the NFHS 08/09 part 2 test as a practice exam for a new official class. 2 of the questions are
9. A restraining line may be used as a boundary line when space is limited, and may extend the entire length or width of the court. 68. If a thrower-in does not have a minimum of 3 feet of unobstructed space. The administering official shall impose an imaginary restraining line. The rule references are: 1-2-2 If on an unofficial court, there is less than 3 feet of unobstructed space outside any sideline or end line a narrow broken line shall be marked ... 7-6-4 note The thrower shall have a minimum of 3 feet horizontally as in 1-2-2. If the court is not marked accordingly, an imaginary restraining line shall be imposed by the administering official. I don't like question 9 or the related rule. I have a no answer since the question says may and the rule says shall. However, I can't imagine literally applying the rule to stop a game. Furthermore, the 7-6-4 note assumes that the game would not be stopped and the official would use an imaginary line. Just me griping about a ridiculously written rule that I may need to explain to the practice test takers.
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The restraining line is used for throw-ins. When administering a throw-in with very little space OOB, I'll wave my arm along the floor, gesturing to the imaginary line, and say: "give him 3 feet, and don't reach across."
Most HS players know what I'm talking about and do as I say. If I'm working a lower level, I'll give the defender a second chance to understand my meaning before whistling a violation. 1-2-2 is advice for people building a court, and does not require officials to stop a game.
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The rule isn't ridiculous, the question is. Reminds me of some of the tricky questions that appear on the annual IAABO exam. The literal answer would be false because the restraining line is only used as as imaginary boundary during a throwin, i.e. you would not use it if a player dribbling near such a boundary steps on such boundary.
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There's nothing wrong with either question or rule. In older gyms where there may be only a foot between the sideline and bleachers. Both questions and rules would fit the situation.
Don't get hung up on shall and may. It's no big deal.
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Sorry, I'm not calling that out of bounds. wanja's posted question, without any more information, like limiting the question to a throwin situation, as suggested by Camron Rust, is false. It appears that the NFHS does the same thing as IAABO, putting very tricky questions on their respective exams.
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Our local kids rec league uses one MS gym that has boundary lines painted on the gym floor three feet in from the walls on both endlines, since there's not that much space on either end. All the kids who play there know what those lines mean and we only explain it to the coaches before each game and tell them to tell their kids. Usually, the coaches just nod their heads and say OK, since most of them have coached in that gym many times. Fortunately, it's the only gym we use that has that situation. And yes, this applies only to throw-ins.
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A restraining line may be used as a boundary line when space is limited, and may extend the entire length or width of the court. Rule 1.2.2 reads If on an unofficial court, there is less than 3 feet of unobstructed space outside any sideline or end line, a narrow broken line shall be marked on the court. Quote:
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1. If rule 1.2.2 is meant solely as advice for people building a court that should be clearly indicated and the related question is a poor choice to include on a test for new officials. 2. I understand and agree with the rationale for ensuring 3 feet of space for the thrower in. However shall vs. may is a big deal. Frequently the rule book uses shall to mean what shall means -- a requirement not an option. 2 of many, many examples: 9-2-5 The thrower shall not carry the ball onto the court. 9-2-6 The thrown ball shall not touch the thrower in the court before it touches or is touched by another player. Is bktBallRef suggesting that the we should choose when shall means required in the rule book rather than the rule book being consistent? Language counts. It particularly counts for new officials taking a certification test. 3. This is one of too many certification questions that raise more of a question of semantics than rule. But test takers and instructors still need to deal with it as it is.
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Sorry wanja, I still agree with BktBallRef: there's nothing wrong with the rule.
Also: don't assume that you're supposed to get 100% on the test. "Ambiguous, misleading, or poorly worded questions are par for the course." You're supposed to miss questions so that you'll stick your nose in the book and whine about how poorly worded the rules and test questions are. You'll get over it eventually, and by then you'll know the rules pretty well.
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I'm suggesting that you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. I've never gotten an NFHS question worng because the book used "shall" and the exam used "may" or vis versa. Get over it, move on.
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![]() If you look at the complete reading of 1-2-2, it says, "...This restraining line becomes the boundary line during a throw-in on that side or end, as in 7-6. It continues to be the boundary until the ball crosses the line." So, whether there's an actual, painted line on the court, or the official determines the imaginary line, it is only in effect during a throw-in, and ceases to exist once the ball crosses the line on the throw-in. It is only in effect for that side or end of the court, so any restraining lines on the sides are not in effect for a throw-in along the endline. Also, the restraining line extends the entire length of that particular sideline or endline, so all throw-in restrictions of players on the court are included. In your example of a player already in bounds, dribbling across that line, there really is no line there, according to the rules. I believe the use of the word "may" in question 9 is because it is still the official's judgement as to whether to impose the restraining line during the throw-in.
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