New FT 2 man mechanic

[ripcord51]

When working lead and administering the ball on a bounce to the FT shoooter I walk away and signal the amount of throws with one hand, who am I now signaling to? the table that can not see or the players or the fans?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ripcord51

When working lead and administering the ball on a bounce to the FT shoooter I walk away and signal the amount of throws with one hand, who am I now signaling to? the table that can not see or the players or the fans?

I guess no one. No good reason to anymore to do that. But then again it was not an "accepted" mechanic anyway.

Peace

[ripcord51]

How about as trail with my back to the table? Do I visually signal the amount of throws? If so who am I doing this towards?

[mick]

Originally Posted by ripcord51

How about as trail with my back to the table? Do I visually signal the amount of throws? If so who am I doing this towards?

Table and Partner.
Once Lead gives it to players, I drop my *toward Division line* signal.

[amusedofficial]

Isn't the lead indicating the number of shots for the players lined up along the lane, most of whom may not have seen the preliminary signal and who are naturally heading toward the lane in the opposite direction of the calling official who goes to report and take his position as trail behind the view of the players lining up for the foul?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

Isn't the lead indicating the number of shots for the players lined up along the lane, most of whom may not have seen the preliminary signal and who are naturally heading toward the lane in the opposite direction of the calling official who goes to report and take his position as trail behind the view of the players lining up for the foul?

He's speaking about after the Lead administers the free throw and steps out of the lane. A lot of officials (ie: myself) then give an additional shot indication in the direction of the table/benches.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

Isn't the lead indicating the number of shots for the players lined up along the lane, most of whom may not have seen the preliminary signal and who are naturally heading toward the lane in the opposite direction of the calling official who goes to report and take his position as trail behind the view of the players lining up for the foul?

The lead should have vocally and visibly stated the number of free throws before bouncing the ball to the shooter. That's for the players lined up in the lane. I don't believe there is a required mechanic for the lead to signal the amount of free throws with one hand while walking back to their spot after bouncing the ball to the shooter.

[Vinski]

Originally Posted by ripcord51

How about as trail with my back to the table? Do I visually signal the amount of throws? If so who am I doing this towards?

I usually indicate the count in the direction of the free throw circle, no matter which position I’m at. However, most everyone should be able to see it. Just before the ball is administered to the free thrower from the lead, all officials (2 man or 3 man) should indicate the shots to be taken. Everyone in the gym should be able to see at least one of you holding up the shot count. Most importantly, though, is that the players and your partners see. The players; so they know how to react to the shot. And your partners; to make sure you and your partners all have the same count making sure you don’t end up with a correctable error situation.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by ripcord51

When working lead and administering the ball on a bounce to the FT shoooter I walk away and signal the amount of throws with one hand, who am I now signaling to? the table that can not see or the players or the fans?

You've gotta be kidding me right? This mechanic is not even in the manual. There is no need to do it. It is simply a last chance communication many of us use just for a little more confirmation, or quite simply we see 'em do it on tv.

It has really boggled my mind that this tableside issue has sparked so much debate. The only place officials do not go tableside is NCAA-M, the NBA, WNBA, NCAA-W and (correct me if I'm wrong) FIBA all go table side. Now that the NFHS has made the change, NCAA-M are the only group still going opposite. If this was not a good and viable option, why are all the top leagues IN THE WORLD doing it? It is not a difficult mechanic to master and it boggles my mind that so many are making such a big deal out of trivial things like, who do I make a non-approved signal to since noone can see me now.

Sorry for the rant, but I really just don't get why this has been given so much discussion...I really don't.

Ok, I'm done, thanks guys!

[Dave Dow]

I was taught it a signal to make sure all people on the floor, and table know how many shots.