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I had my first varsity contest of the year the other night, and also had the opportunity to use the new federation mechanic of allowing the non-calling official to notify the coach when one of their players has been disqualified due to 5 fouls. Needless to say, it was a bit awkward. We did discuss the possibility of this situation during our pre-game, but it still didn't flow very well, if you know what I mean. Any suggestions on how some of you may have already handled (or will handle) this situation?
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I've noticed a lot of the time, the coach is aware of the 5th and has someone ready before you can ask for them so why go thre the practice or having the off official get em. But I can see this could be helpful in certain situations. I bet this gets changed back because in practice, it seems too cumbersome. Larks VIT |
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I'm kind of surprised that nobody seems to be embracing the "new" mechanic. "In my area", we've been encouraged for years to let the non-calling official go the coach if it's an "interesting" situation. I had thought that the new mechanic was just a reflection of what everybody was already doing in practice.
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I agree with Chuck Go to the table and report the foul. The coach usually knows it is the players fifth. If not, the scorer (if you have pregamed them well) will tell you. Then go and tell partner to tell coach. The few extra seconds it takes to do this IMO helps to difuse some of the tension that goes with fouling out a player. Used the mechanic a couple of nights ago and think it worked slick.
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You called it.......
you can tell the coach. The issue should be to inform the coach of what was called. The main person that knows this, is the calling official. It is very possible that the non-calling official has no clue who and what happen on the foul. To me, this "mechanic" can cause more confusion and can delay the informing of the coach. Because if the other officials are doing their job, they are not going to be aware that a kid fouled out or might not know who it was called on.
I had this happen twice this year and I just told the coach myself, started the 30 second timer and let the non-calling official take care of the substitution. Not much different than if I had called a foul and go opposite table. The last two years when we had the "immediate" substitution experimental rule, we did the very same thing, just had the non-calling official take care of the substitution. That is the best way to handle it in my opinion and is the way I plan to handle it from here on out. Most officials like this better. Peace
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I'm with Rut on the 5th foul.
The only place where I've seen a "switch" used where I think it makes sense is when an official has to inform the head coach of the seatbelt rule after a technical (esp. a direct technical on the head coach). Then the off official will inform the coach in order to keep the calling official out of there. Most 5th foul calls are routine. Why paint a small percentage of situations (where it makes sense to switch ) with such a broad brush (making everyone do it the same way, every time)? Rich |
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Rut, no one said you couldn't talk to the coach after you called the fifth foul. I believe this is part of the purpose for this mechanic. If he wants to "waste" some of his 30 seconds w/ you while your partner handles the sub. so be it.
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This is a soft mechanic:
"SITUATION 1: A5 is called for a fifth foul. Who informs the coach? RULING: It is recommended that the non-calling official in a crew of two or the new tableside official (trail or center) in a crew of three be responsible for notification. After informing the player, the official instructs the timer to begin the 30-second replacement period. (2-8-4; 4-14; 10-5-1d)"
If it is inconvenient, don't worry about it. Just report and replace. mick |
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He said, she said.
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Not really an issue. It is really personal IMHO.
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No big deal. But opinions were asked about it, and I gave one. Outside of this board, this is probably the biggest discussion I have had on this topic. Peace
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