New FT 2 man mechanic

[ripcord51]

How about as trail with my back to the table? Do I visually signal the amount of throws? If so who am I doing this towards?

[mick]

Originally Posted by ripcord51

How about as trail with my back to the table? Do I visually signal the amount of throws? If so who am I doing this towards?

Table and Partner.
Once Lead gives it to players, I drop my *toward Division line* signal.

[amusedofficial]

Isn't the lead indicating the number of shots for the players lined up along the lane, most of whom may not have seen the preliminary signal and who are naturally heading toward the lane in the opposite direction of the calling official who goes to report and take his position as trail behind the view of the players lining up for the foul?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

Isn't the lead indicating the number of shots for the players lined up along the lane, most of whom may not have seen the preliminary signal and who are naturally heading toward the lane in the opposite direction of the calling official who goes to report and take his position as trail behind the view of the players lining up for the foul?

He's speaking about after the Lead administers the free throw and steps out of the lane. A lot of officials (ie: myself) then give an additional shot indication in the direction of the table/benches.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

A lot of officials (ie: myself) then give an additional shot indication in the direction of the table/benches.

Why? What does it add? What is the trail (or C in 3-person) doing?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Why? What does it add? What is the trail (or C in 3-person) doing?

For me it just ensures that what I said in the lane is the same as what everyone else expects to come. I've also used it to correct announcers who say the wrong amount of shots on the PA. Just an added communication tool.

It doesn't interfere with any of my other responsibilities and no one (supervisors/evaluators/observers) has ever told me not to do it.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

Isn't the lead indicating the number of shots for the players lined up along the lane, most of whom may not have seen the preliminary signal and who are naturally heading toward the lane in the opposite direction of the calling official who goes to report and take his position as trail behind the view of the players lining up for the foul?

The lead should have vocally and visibly stated the number of free throws before bouncing the ball to the shooter. That's for the players lined up in the lane. I don't believe there is a required mechanic for the lead to signal the amount of free throws with one hand while walking back to their spot after bouncing the ball to the shooter.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Smitty

The lead should have vocally and visibly stated the number of free throws before bouncing the ball to the shooter. That's for the players lined up in the lane. I don't believe there is a required mechanic for the lead to signal the amount of free throws with one hand while walking back to their spot after bouncing the ball to the shooter.

I do the same as Smitty indicates. I announce the number of shots nice and loud so everyone knows how many the shooter will take before bouncing the ball to the shooter (of course, that doesn't prevent the "zoned out" player who isn't paying attention from jumping in the lane anyhow).

I "used to" indicate number of shots with my hand while backing out too, but was told not to during an evaluation. I stopped.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by Smitty

The lead should have vocally and visibly stated the number of free throws before bouncing the ball to the shooter. That's for the players lined up in the lane. I don't believe there is a required mechanic for the lead to signal the amount of free throws with one hand while walking back to their spot after bouncing the ball to the shooter.

I agree completely.

How's things going in Dallas? I'm going to miss working with you - always enjoyed it........

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

How's things going in Dallas? I'm going to miss working with you - always enjoyed it........

Thanks Tim. Same here. I love Dallas. As far as officiating in Dallas, it's been....interesting. It would be best discuss it offline.

I will say this much, I would recommend to anyone fortunate enough to work in Portland to go up and give Howard a big hug. You don't know how good you have it there...

[CLH]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Thanks Tim. Same here. I love Dallas. As far as officiating in Dallas, it's been....interesting. It would be best discuss it offline.

I will say this much, I would recommend to anyone fortunate enough to work in Portland to go up and give Howard a big hug. You don't know how good you have it there...

Luckily he's met some really great people here!!

[Vinski]

Originally Posted by ripcord51

How about as trail with my back to the table? Do I visually signal the amount of throws? If so who am I doing this towards?

I usually indicate the count in the direction of the free throw circle, no matter which position I’m at. However, most everyone should be able to see it. Just before the ball is administered to the free thrower from the lead, all officials (2 man or 3 man) should indicate the shots to be taken. Everyone in the gym should be able to see at least one of you holding up the shot count. Most importantly, though, is that the players and your partners see. The players; so they know how to react to the shot. And your partners; to make sure you and your partners all have the same count making sure you don’t end up with a correctable error situation.