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I'm not talking about a bump that could or could not be a foul. That is the 50/50 play I discussed. I'm talking a player who "obviously" to you, me, your wife in the 10th row and my girlfriend in the 50th row, gets hit or grabbed in a clear and concise manner in order to keep a guy from scoring. 50/50 plays such as the two plays you've referenced are not the plays in question. Would you agree that not all fouls are 50/50 "I have to make a decision one way or the other" plays? There are some fouls in this game, even on and 1s. I would also like to ask do you think with the thought process that you screwed up too many calls if you've had a lot of and 1s in your game?
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What makes a foul an "obvious" foul to me is the affect on the opposition. If there's no obvious affect on the shooter, then there's no obvious foul. Could there still be a foul? Sure, but I would say it's not obvious. I will say this. Every foul call you make is a decision one way or the other, sometimes that decision is easier than other times. And for your last question, I said twice in this thread already that I don't care if the shot goes in when determining whether it's a foul. I have never waited to see if a shot went in before blowing my whistle, and never wished I had. Have I looked back at a game and regretted some calls and no-calls? Sure, but that regret was completely separate from whether the shots went in.
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Please Don't Ask ...
Is that like, "Don't ask. Don't tell." ?
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Sounds like an intentional foul to me.
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No advantage
I have a problem with the no advantage, if a small defender whacks a power forward going for a layup - but he is strong enough to finish, that is a foul and should be called (and is called); but was there an advantage? I say yes there is - you are giving an advantage to the defender by allowing a free swing at the ball and he may block the shot.
BillyMac - the fouls you describe on the rebound effort - are how I understand the advantage / disadvantage to be applied. Did the foul put the person fouled at a disadvantage? I agree with snaqwells comments about a pass to a player taking a wide open lay-up, contact on the passer is ignore (generally) to allow the lay-up. It starts getting tricky as we move away from the lay-up; a wide open pass to a jump shooter? To me, we as officials start influencing the game when we start making judgement calls as to whether a team would want us to call it or allow their 40% 3 point shooter to shoot (what if he was only 20% shooter?). The I did not call the foul because I thought you had a better option.. to me is not good. Sorry coach - yes I saw the foul, but the ball was on the other side of the court and the dribbler was not looking to make a pass to the cutter, so the hold really did not put your player at a disadvantage. thanks, - enjoying the civil discussion. |
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gsl, the problem is a foul isn't a foul without advantage/disadvantage. With your streaking cutter who never got the ball, he's still put at a disadvantage as you have no idea where the guy with the ball was intending to throw the ball. With your initial shooter, I didn't say if he can finish he doesn't get the call. I said if the shot isn't sufficiently (in my judgment) affected by the contact, there's no foul.
Likewise on the pass to the jump shooter. If the contact doesn't affect the pass (again, my judgment), it's not a foul regardless of where the pass was intended to go. I don't care if he was throwing it back to his point guard to reset the offense. If the pass (like the hypothetical shot) isn't made more difficult by the contact, it's not a foul. Otherwise, there's no way to distinguish between incidental contact and fouls.
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A hard smack on the forearm of A1 by B1 will not be called a foul - if the A1 is able to pass the ball to A2?
What happens if A1 - deep in the corner - throws a full court Baseball pass to A2, during the pass B1 fouls A1; do you wait the two / three seconds to see if A2 can retrieve the pass? or do you call the foul? I do not believe these are incidental contacts, these are fouls - that an official may / may not call. (I know - it's not a foul unless I blow the whistle - it is easier to type / explain my thoughts this way). Snaqwells - A1 goes in for a layup - everyone in the building sees B1 hit A1 after the release of the ball. (by saying everyone sees this - I refer to the physical nature of the contact - it helps to describe the amount of the contact). But A1 shot is not altered, he is not put at a disadvantage. Are you saying you do not call this a foul? |
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I have tried to make this point in regard to the hard hit on the arm, to no avail. Snaqs has made his point clearly and without waiver. There is no need to pursue or attempt to persuade any further.
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