change call...get it right?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by daveg144

3 person crew...girls tournament

I am the trail............

About the same time, the trail comes running to me

There's your problem.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by daveg144

3 person crew...girls tournament

I am the trail............

About the same time, the trail comes running to me

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

There's your problem.

Schizophrenia?

[Nevadaref]

I see an opportunity for us to see who can fill in the blank the best.

Too many Trails spoil the ______________.

[Nevadaref]

Seriously, you have to change the call if the player was dribbling the whole time. Heck, it's one of the fundamentals of the rules that a player can't travel while dribbling, so trying to stick with such a call would be ridiculous.

Your first clue that you might have missed the call was the protest from the player. However, what happened next is bit puzzling to me.

1. Did YOU go seek extra information from your partners or did one of your partners come to YOU and offer it? There actually is a significant difference between you asking and one of them volunteering. I'm far more likely to volunteer information when the play is strictly a rules situation and to stay out of it when it's a judgment call, including an OOB call. Most of the time, if the calling official doesn't come to me and ask, he is on his own.

2. Was it the Center who provided the help or was it the new Lead?

I'm not sure how I feel about the Center helping under these circumstances. Obviously, if he hadn't you would have completely blown the call, but on the other hand I'm not thrilled that one of your partners was looking at a trap three feet from you instead of doing his job and observing the other players in the backcourt trying to get open to receive a pass. A defender could have been holding one of them and that is why the trapped player was having trouble. I'd be disappointed to learn that one of my partners didn't believe that I could officiate a 2 v 1 trap right in front of me, whether that's true or not.

I know how I feel about the new Lead attempting to help with this play. What the heck is he doing looking back there? Doesn't he have players in the frontcourt or near the division line who need observation? I would call that ball-watching and not be happy about it at all.

[tomegun]

I think the new Lead was probably responsible for 7 players at this point. Please come back and paint us a better picture. How many players were involved in the trap? Where were the other players (frontcourt backcourt)? Who was it that came to give you information because it couldn't have been the trail since you said you were. Was the trap happening in the corner on the Trail/Lead side of the court or the Center's side of the court?

Assuming you did in fact get it right, let's look at what was wrong with the play and what could be done to prevent the same thing from happening in the future. At this stage in the game, all game really, it should have been a high certainty call.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I see an opportunity for us to see who can fill in the blank the best.

Too many Trails spoil the ______________.

Too many Trails spoil the Happy.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Too many Trails spoil the Happy.

Really? Nobody liked that enough to comment? Hrrmph.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Really? Nobody liked that enough to comment? Hrrmph.

Well, I'm late to the party, but my answer is, "Not really."

[daveg144]

It was the trail who ran in and volunteered the information. I was prepared to go with my call (even though the player protested). The trail came in immediately with what he saw. As we talked, the center came in, but he said he did not see anything.

There was pressure and there's a good chance all 10 players were in the backcourt.

My problem was that I was too close to the play. I'm concentrating on body or hands contact (holds, grabs, push, etc.) and I did not have a good look from the waist down. When she went down, it was obviously without a foul and in my haste, I called the travel. Interestingly enough, in a game today, I had a very similar play and I was able to be patient and not call a travel.

It's all part of becoming a better official.

[force39]

It's Deja Vu all over again

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by force39

It's Deja Vu all over again