T before the toss

[Hugh Refner]

This is one of those rare cases in which I like the NBA rule. They view a technical foul as behavior that takes place "outside" the actual playing of the game. Because of that perception, they then "suspend" the game, take care of the technical, then pick the game up from where it was stopped.

I really think this is a rational approach to the game. I guess they feel that having the offended team shoot a free throw (I would still support two shots in NF) is enough of a punishment. Of course, they will still eject someone if it's really flagrant.

Having a rule like the NF does, where the offended team gets the shots and possession is not balanced. If the T is against the offensive team, they lose shots and possession. However, if the T is against the defensive team, they just lose shots because they didn't have possession in the first place. Why should there be more of a penalty if a team was on offense?

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner

If the T is against the offensive team, they lose shots and possession. However, if the T is against the defensive team, they just lose shots because they didn't have possession in the first place. Why should there be more of a penalty if a team was on offense?

And that is different from a common foul how? B1 holds A1 and A just gets the ball out of bounds; no real penalty, they already had the ball. A1 holds B1 and A loses possession.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by LDUB

And that is different from a common foul how? B1 holds A1 and A just gets the ball out of bounds; no real penalty, they already had the ball. A1 holds B1 and A loses possession.

This is somewhat equalized by the bonus and team control rules.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner

Having a rule like the NF does, where the offended team gets the shots and possession is not balanced. If the T is against the offensive team, they lose shots and possession. However, if the T is against the defensive team, they just lose shots because they didn't have possession in the first place. Why should there be more of a penalty if a team was on offense?

Which, I believe, was the biggest impetus for introducing the team control foul into HS basketball. I arguably makes the penalties less unequal, at least in some cases.

The same issue exists with free throw violations. If the offense violates, they lose a shot and possibly the ball. If the defense violates, the offense gets another shot if they miss. If they both violate, the penalty is harsher on the offense.

Now that you've uncovered the deep, dark secret we've been hiding from the media and the voting public, how would you change things to make it more fair?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Now that you've uncovered the deep, dark secret we've been hiding from the media and the voting public, how would you change things to make it more fair?

Hasn't it been established during discussions about Correctable Errors that the rules are not necessarily intended to be fair?

[Adam]

As my 8th grade science teacher drilled into us (before he was fired for drinking in class two years in a row), "Life ain't fair."

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Hasn't it been established during discussions about Correctable Errors that the rules are not necessarily intended to be fair?

I think we're talking apples and oranges, or at least apples and crab apples. The CE rule seems to have been deliberately written to screw everybody to some degree, and thus ensure that everybody has an incentive to get it right.

Foul penalties and FT violation penalties...well, how would we make it more fair? The nature of the beast is such that there is no completely equitable way to penalize each side the same. I do think using POI all (or at least most) technical fouls would make it more equitable. Then the penalty really becomes only two free throws to the opponent and a technical, personal, and team foul recorded for the miscreant. Nobody "gets" or "doesn't get" the ball.

Perhaps if we went to POI for all fouls? For the first six per team per half, that's just putting the ball back in play. After that, the offended team shoots free throws, then the ball goes back to POI?

Nah, I don't think that would work very well at all.