Pivot foot

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Right, but my reading of it led me to believe a player must keep "moving" thoughout the process. Speed is irrelevant, but continuity of motion is not (by my reading). So, if a player were to stop on one foot and hold still for a moment, then proceed to jump and land, it would be traveling.

Again, I need to do two things.
1. Re-read the rule.
2. Defer to more experienced officials' judgment.
3. Realize that this play will just never happen.
4. Learn to count.

5. Cease making up your own rules.
6. Don't use the one's that exist only in Padgett's head either.
7. Take your meds!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

5. Cease making up your own rules.
6. Don't use the one's that exist only in Padgett's head either.
7. Take your meds!

Wow, I was expecting to have the chance to read up on this tonight, but circumstances changed when I walked in the house. Bottom line, still haven't read the rule.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wow, I was expecting to have the chance to read up on this tonight, but circumstances changed when I walked in the house. Bottom line, still haven't read the rule.

Here is the relevant part of the rule...

Rule 44....ART 2. A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows:

a. If both feet are off the floor and the player lands

3. On one foot, the player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both.

b. If one foot is on the floor:

2. The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both.

Note that the "while moving" part is attached to the act of catching.

[Adam]

Agreed. This once in a lifetime play is legal. What about the player who catches the ball, standing still, on one foot, then jumps to both feet? That might be the play I had in my head originally when I read the rule.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Agreed. This once in a lifetime play is legal. What about the player who catches the ball, standing still, on one foot, then jumps to both feet? That might be the play I had in my head originally when I read the rule.

I'd still have a hard time calling a travel. How many times are you going to see a player standing still on one foot. And define standing still...for how long? How still? I'd say that if a foot is in the air, the player is, for all practial purposes, moving.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'd still have a hard time calling a travel. How many times are you going to see a player standing still on one foot. And define standing still...for how long? How still? I'd say that if a foot is in the air, the player is, for all practial purposes, moving.

Ever seen "The Karate Kid"?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Agreed. This once in a lifetime play is legal. What about the player who catches the ball, standing still, on one foot, then jumps to both feet? That might be the play I had in my head originally when I read the rule.

Unless you can state the illegal manner in which the player holding the ball moved his feet, the play is legal.

Don't penalize strange, unusual, or ugly. Save the whistle for illegal.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Unless you can state the illegal manner in which the player holding the ball moved his feet, the play is legal.

Don't penalize strange, unusual, or ugly. Save the whistle for illegal.

Ok, here's the rationale for rhetorical purposes.

The rule makes the extra allowance for the jump stop who catches the ball while moving. Without that allowance, the pivot would be established by a player catching the ball with one foot on the floor.

Since the rule says "while moving," it could be presumed that a player who catches the ball stationary cannot take advantage of the "jump stop" provision.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Ok, here's the rationale for rhetorical purposes.

The rule makes the extra allowance for the jump stop who catches the ball while moving. Without that allowance, the pivot would be established by a player catching the ball with one foot on the floor.

Since the rule says "while moving," it could be presumed that a player who catches the ball stationary cannot take advantage of the "jump stop" provision.

I believe that you are over-analyzing this one. It seems that you are too hung up on "while moving" and not giving enough weight to the "may stop" part of the rule.

Do you have a rule which states that a player receiving the ball with one foot on the floor and the other not touching has a established a pivot?

Here's the definition of pivot:
4-33 PIVOT
A pivot takes place when a player who is holding the ball steps once, or more
than once, in any direction with the same foot while the other foot, called the pivot
foot, is kept at its point of contact with the floor.

I don't see that action having happened.

Here's the part of the traveling rule on establishing a pivot:
4-44-2 . . . A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop,
and establish a pivot foot as follows:
a. If both feet are off the floor and the player lands:
1. Simultaneously on both feet, either foot may be the pivot.
2. On one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch is the pivot.
3. On one foot, the player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land
on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.
b. If one foot is on the floor:
1. It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.
2. The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both.
Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.

Once the player stops, what difference does it make whether he was previously moving or not?
I see no time-frame given in 4-44-2 (b)2. It simply says that the player may jump off that foot. Perhaps we should think of it as rewarding good balance, if a player can hold his position on one foot for that long.