foul or travel?

[rsl]

In this case, I think I made the right call. A1 tried to grab the ball and stop on a dime, and he didn't quite make it. B1 was trying to stop while A1 was still in the air but had no where to go.

On a block/charge, you are watching the defenders feet and you set up for the call. I think this situation caught me off guard- In the loose ball situation I wasn't watching carefully for the position like I should. Tough call- I'll know better next time.

Thanks for the replies!

If illegal contact causes a violation the contact must be penalized... no matter what the player was "trying" to do.
Say the same play happened near a sideline & the bump caused A1 to step on the line. You can't go no-call there & if you call the OOB I'm sure As coach wil let you know that his player didn't step out on his own will.
What came first the chicken (bump) or egg (violation)?

It seems as though you let what you think they are "trying to do" affect your decisions.

Unless, it's a end of game situation I don't think players are ever trying to foul.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

What came first the chicken (bump) or egg (violation)?

Since we all know which came first, I think your metaphor is barking up the wrong egg.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Say the same play happened near a sideline & the bump caused A1 to step on the line. You can't go no-call there & if you call the OOB I'm sure As coach will let you know that his player didn't step out on his own will.

Didn't this exact scenario unfold in the final seconds of a "big time" Division I NCAA mens game this past season, I believe late in the season, possibly in a conference tournament. Team A was down by a point with a few seconds to go. A1 was dribbling near his backcourt sideline, seventy feet away from the basket, when for some idiotic reason B1 decides to defensively challenge A1's progress. There was a tiny bit of contact and the official called the foul, and A1's bonus free throws won the game. The official was criticized for calling the foul, with such little contact, when the dribbler was so far away from his basket, but the replay showed that the contact caused A1 to step on the sideline. If the foul wasn't called, then an out of bounds violation would have been called, and then the official would have gotten grief for that.

I remember an internet video that was making the rounds. Does anybody else remember, or can anyone locate the internet video?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Didn't this exact scenario unfold in the final seconds of a "big time" Division I NCAA mens game this past season, I believe late in the season, possibly in a conference tournament. Team A was down by a point with a few seconds to go. A1 was dribbling near his backcourt sideline, seventy feet away from the basket, when for some idiotic reason B1 decides to defensively challenge A1's progress. There was a tiny bit of contact and the official called the foul, and A1's bonus free throws won the game. The official was criticized for calling the foul, with such little contact, when the dribbler was so far away from his basket, but the replay showed that the contact caused A1 to step on the sideline. If the foul wasn't called, then an out of bounds violation would have been called, and then the official would have gotten grief for that.

I remember an internet video that was making the rounds. Does anybody else remember, or can anyone locate the internet video?

It was Villanova vs. Georgetown near the end of the season two years ago. The game was tied and the foul was called near the 28' mark in the backcourt with less than a second left. Georgetown made two FTs and won the game.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It was Villanova vs. Georgetown near the end of the season two years ago. The game was tied and the foul was called near the 28' mark in the backcourt with less than a second left. Georgetown made two FTs and won the game.

Well that's fine, but WHO called that foul?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Well that's fine, but WHO called that foul?

Ask a Villanova fan.

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Well that's fine, but WHO called that foul?

YouTube - Georgetown/Villanova Horrible Call

Bob Donnato called it. Jay Bilas of course ripped him and couldn't possibly understand how the call could ever be made in that situation. At the end of this clip in the "post game" Sean McDonough actually explains that the bump pushed the player OOB and that's why Donnato called the foul. But not surprisingly Bilas denies that rationale completely and says "you can make any technical justification you want for some of these calls, but the truth is at that stage of the game when you're 80 feet from the basket, that's one where there was no foul and you didn't see the foot on the line."

I think the implication his "some of these calls" line makes bothers me the most. Arrogant know-it-all.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rsl

In this case, I think I made the right call. A1 tried to grab the ball and stop on a dime, and he didn't quite make it. B1 was trying to stop while A1 was still in the air but had no where to go.

On a block/charge, you are watching the defenders feet and you set up for the call. I think this situation caught me off guard- In the loose ball situation I wasn't watching carefully for the position like I should. Tough call- I'll know better next time.

Thanks for the replies!

The questions:
1. Did B1's contact cause A1 to travel? If yes, move on to question 2. If no, Travel.
2. Who was responsible for the contact, by rule. If A1, travel. If B1, foul on B1.

It does not matter what B1's intent was. This play happens often, actually. Player running behind another player "tries" to stop but can't. It's still a foul. Defender was "trying" to block the shot cleanly but smacks an elbow instead. It's still a foul.