historical question

[rsl]

Assume NFHS rules.

A1 shoots an airball, hustles and gets his own rebound with no other player touching the ball. Under the current rules, no violation as long as the official deems it a real shot and not an attempt to pass to himself.

I periodically have to justify this no call, since apparently the rule is different in the NBA.

I am having trouble finding the reference or a case for this. Also, I think this rule has changed in the last decade. Any veterans out there remember the history of this rule?

[Mark Padgett]

When I first started, the shot had to hit the peach basket first to avoid a travel call.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by rsl

Assume NFHS rules.

A1 shoots an airball, hustles and gets his own rebound with no other player touching the ball. Under the current rules, no violation as long as the official deems it a real shot and not an attempt to pass to himself.

I periodically have to justify this no call, since apparently the rule is different in the NBA.

I am having trouble finding the reference or a case for this. Also, I think this rule has changed in the last decade. Any veterans out there remember the history of this rule?

Yes, the NBA rule is different.
Here is the NFHS Case Book ruling:
4.44 SITUATION B: A1 attempts a try after ending the dribble. The try does not
touch the backboard, the rim or any other player. A1 runs and is able to catch the
ball before it strikes the floor. Is this traveling? RULING: No. When A1 recovered
his/her own try, A1 could either dribble, pass or try again. There was no team
control after the ball was released on a try. (4-12; 4-41)

I've been working HS for longer than 10 years and it hasn't changed in my time.

By the way the NCAA rule is the same as the NFHS.

[BillyMac]

The shooter can retrieve his or her own airball, if the referee considers it to be a shot attempt. The release ends team control. It is not a violation for that player to start another dribble at that point. When an airborne player keeps control of an attempted shot that is blocked and is unable to release the ball and returns to the floor with it, that player has not traveled; it is a held ball. If, in this situation, the shooter releases the ball, then this is simply a blocked shot and play continues. When an airborne player tries for goal, sees that the try will be blocked, purposely drops the ball, and picks up the ball after it hits the floor, that player has traveled by starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor, whether, or not, the defensive player touches the ball in the block attempt.

[rsl]

I got questioned about this one today in a 3 on 3 parking lot league. This is the second time this year I have been "corrected" on this rule by a player. Both times my response was the same: "You've been been watching too much NBA".
This time, after hearing my response, the player went to the tournament organizer and asked why the had to play by silly high school rules and not by the NBA rules.

Thanks for the confirmation on the college rule.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by rsl

This time, after hearing my response, the player went to the tournament organizer and asked why the had to play by silly high school rules and not by the NBA rules.

I certainly hope that the tournament organizer responded by telling him that it's because he's a silly ex-HS player who never made it to the NBA.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I certainly hope that the tournament organizer responded by telling him that it's because he's a silly ex-HS player who never made it to the NBA.

LOL I need to remember that one for the next time...

I,too, have heard the silly HS rules and not the NBA rules spiel.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

I,too, have heard the silly HS rules and not the NBA rules spiel.

Next time, tell them you're playing under NBA rules, then stop the game every five minutes for a TV timeout. Also, draw the correct 3-point line on the floor with paint.

[stratref]

...and have them make sure that they have the $500 to pay if they get called for a technical foul. That one should end most of the discussion.
Jasper

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Next time, tell them you're playing under NBA rules, then stop the game every five minutes for a TV timeout. Also, draw the correct 3-point line on the floor with paint.

Sorry Mark this one was a swing and a miss, kinda like Beltre.

Beltre needs to do his little summer heat up for me. My fantasy offense is melting already and Beltre, believe it or not, could supply some welcome relief.