HS vs. College

[Brad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

All you can do is call your game. Stop worrying about what others do or call.

Almost 14K posts and this is possibly the greatest thing you have ever said.

You can retire from the forum now!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Brad

Almost 14K posts and this is possibly the greatest thing you have ever said.

You can retire from the forum now!

I might just do that, and it would not for what I said in this thread.

Peace

[dbking]

Originally Posted by Brad

Almost 14K posts and this is possibly the greatest thing you have ever said.

You can retire from the forum now!

I believe that this philosophy can only take you so far.

There are three teams on the court for every game. In 3 person crews, this philosophy can kill the game. A good solid pre game and follow up at time outs will bring the consistency that is required to have a quality game. That inconsistency is what drives coaches and fans crazy.

Be in proper position to see the whole play. Be patient with your whistle. Call the obvious and protect the shooter are great basics. However, the great crews are the ones that have similar calls on similar plays on both ends of the court. The players and coaches can adjust to that. We take the bad rap when we do not do that.

BE THE BEST TEAM ON THE COURT!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by dbking

I believe that this philosophy can only take you so far.

There are three teams on the court for every game. In 3 person crews, this philosophy can kill the game. A good solid pre game and follow up at time outs will bring the consistency that is required to have a quality game. That inconsistency is what drives coaches and fans crazy.

Be in proper position to see the whole play. Be patient with your whistle. Call the obvious and protect the shooter are great basics. However, the great crews are the ones that have similar calls on similar plays on both ends of the court. The players and coaches can adjust to that. We take the bad rap when we do not do that.

BE THE BEST TEAM ON THE COURT!

Are you saying you can control what your partners do or do not do? Because I have been doing 3 Person for some time, and they either know it and understand the system, or they do not. And a lot of that understanding takes work in the off season and constantly working games to learn that system.

Peace

[refguy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Are you saying you can control what your partners do or do not do? Because I have been doing 3 Person for some time, and they either know it and understand the system, or they do not. And a lot of that understanding takes work in the off season and constantly working games to learn that system.

Peace

Knowing the system and buying into the system are two different things. Watching some veterans, it is clear that one or the other is the case, probably not buying into the system and not abiding by it. How many of those guys work on improving in the off season?
As far as percentage of correct calls and no calls, how can Jim Burr possibly know how many of his calls are correct when 50% of his calls are outside his primary?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by refguy

Knowing the system and buying into the system are two different things. Watching some veterans, it is clear that one or the other is the case, probably not buying into the system and not abiding by it. How many of those guys work on improving in the off season?
As far as percentage of correct calls and no calls, how can Jim Burr possibly know how many of his calls are correct when 50% of his calls are outside his primary?

It seems you want to take this discussion about specific officials.

That is not the point of my response.

And since you talked about Burr, I am going to have to disagree with you. Then again it really does not matter if we agree on this. I am not going to change your thinking anyway.

Peace

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by refguy

how can Jim Burr possibly know how many of his calls are correct when 50% of his calls are outside his primary?

Again, this is a ridiculous comment to make. You're not even thinking rationally about this discussion. You have an axe to grind about staying in your primary and you just say whatever seems to support that axe.

1) How can Burr know how many of his calls are correct? By watching tape, like everyone else. Does he do that? I have no idea. But to imply that he couldn't possibly have an idea of how he's performing is ludicrous.

2) Or are you asking how he could know DURING the game? If so, then how do YOU know how many of your calls are correct during the game? You don't. You think they're all correct when you make them, otherwise you wouldn't have put air in the whistle. You're just being silly.

3) 50%? Really? Please.

[dbking]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Are you saying you can control what your partners do or do not do? Because I have been doing 3 Person for some time, and they either know it and understand the system, or they do not. And a lot of that understanding takes work in the off season and constantly working games to learn that system.

Peace

I am not saying that you can control what your partners call but you sometimes have to match what your partners call to be consistent. That is why team work is so important.

If we are the worst team on the court for that game, I guarantee that both coaches know, most players know and most fans can sense.

I am sure that you have been doing for some time. I am working on 15 years of doing and feel I get better each year. I work my butt off in the off season as I am sure that you do. I am going to 6 camps this summer, 1 as clinician and 5 as a camper, all college. I will be a clinician at several training sessions for HS this summer as well. That is why we do this.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by dbking

I am not saying that you can control what your partners call but you sometimes have to match what your partners call to be consistent. That is why team work is so important.

If we are the worst team on the court for that game, I guarantee that both coaches know, most players know and most fans can sense.

I do not concern myself with what coaches, players or fans think about anything. Not something I go around worrying about.

Secondly the term consistency from many people means, "Call the game consistently for me." I am not going to mirror everything my partner does just because they have called something. I am going to call what I am supposed to and call what happens in my area. If I have a partner that is calling all kind of crap, I am not calling the game to make me look like crap too.

Originally Posted by dbking

I am sure that you have been doing for some time. I am working on 15 years of doing and feel I get better each year. I work my butt off in the off season as I am sure that you do. I am going to 6 camps this summer, 1 as clinician and 5 as a camper, all college. I will be a clinician at several training sessions for HS this summer as well. That is why we do this.

I am a state licensed official and I will also be at many camps simply as a clinician. I am still trying to figure out what other camps I will attend on my own as I will be very busy this summer with some personal projects. And at camps especially I do not want people to just call something to mirror partners. There is a difference between being consistent and doing things to fake consistency. And also do not feel that consistency is the most important thing when both teams will not play the same on either end of the court.

Peace