HS vs. College

[JRutledge]

I think people that have worked college basketball tend to have had to attend more camps and are trained not to do certain things. I do not think it is much more complicated than that. Because if you ball watched at a college camp, you would be called out rather quickly for doing such a thing.

If I am talking to high school officials about things, I do not mention anything about college ball unless it is completely relevant to the discussion. For example if someone is trying to bring a college mechanic to the high school level, but it does not apply to the high school level. Other than that, I do not even go there because people think you are trying to make them feel less then.

Peace

I hear you & did not intend for the post to put anybody down, for I am just a mere HS official with aspirations & dreams.

It's just difficult to work on preparing for camps with people who aren't on the same page. Kinda makes for an inconsistent game. ie; once a player gathers the ball, I'm putting them on the line while others say great job getting to the cup, now take the ball out & start over.

But I understand, basically control what you can control...

[bradfordwilkins]

Are you a member of Ed Rush's Court Club Ch1Town? I think you'd really enjoy it if you're not.

[btaylor64]

I would almost guarantee he is part of the court club because the terminology and phrases he is using are rarely if ever used at college camps and I've been to a good amount of those! Quick whistle on RSBQ vs. Patient whistles on drives??? Yeah def. Ed Rush stuff. That's great! I encourage more people to become part of the court club.

Sorry to say it and people can just say I'm bias but most of the things you are speaking of when you say "college" is pro stuff. In my personal opinion, plays to the hoop, in college, need to have more whistles. I believe there are too many plays that involve a lot of illegal contact and yet it goes uncalled for reasons I have tried to understand and yet don't. Granted I don't work big time D1, yes I work some D1 but not big time, so I'm not there and don't get it. Its just good to see that John Adams recognizes that there is indeed a problem cause he is wanting officials to up their play calling to 80 percent! That seems crazy to me. I think it should be higher but once again i don't know how bad it was but apparently it was bad to him. The greatest in the world call in the mid 90s

[Zoochy]

What are RSBQ plays? Also, what is the 'Ed Rush's Court Club?'

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

What are RSBQ plays? Also, what is the 'Ed Rush's Court Club?'

RSBQ plays stands for Rhythm, Speed, Balance, and Quickness. These are plays on the perimeter with a dribbler primarily. If a player is driving to the hoop and any of these are affected then you have a foul, if not its a play on.

[Nevadaref]

Rut made some excellent comments already, but I would like to add a thought.

It seems to me that the biggest difference between the HS and college officials is the amount of contact that triggers a whistle.
Mostly, the HS only officials let too much go, while those work college have had it drilled into them over the past few years that we need to clean up the game. That means control rough play and whistle contact that prevents freedom of movement.
Although the college players are bigger and stronger, I believe that the game is called more precisely because everything is captured on video and the officials are highly scrutinized. At the HS level, one can get away with much more because there isn't the same level of review.

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Also, what is the 'Ed Rush's Court Club?'

I second this question, what is the Ed Rush Court Club?

[bradfordwilkins]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

I second this question, what is the Ed Rush Court Club?

Learn to Become A Top Level Referee

Honestly, the best investment I've made. First, you get 8 hour-long CDs with top officials at all levels including two with Ed Rush himself, 2 dvds on how to breakdown tape, a few great books, the opportunity to email Ed Rush and have him review your game tape, etc.

My favorite part, hands down, is the monthly calls usually with a guest (for April it was NBA Group Supervisor Jim Wishmier) which last between an hour and two hours... about 1/3rd of it includes review game footage and talking about playcalling/positioning principles. Every other month it includes an interview with a top official or assigner (John Adams was on for March).

It is like $400 but spread out over 4 months... honestly I make $80-100 a night doing 3 games in summer rec ball so thats one less paycheck a month and it pays for itself.

I don't work with them honestly juts someone who has been thrilled with the program (although if you mention my name I think I get like a free CD or something lol).

And yea Ch1 -- I love it and figured using your vocab that you were a member too. Are you going to the camp at Villanova?
Mention my name and I think I get a kick

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

most of the things you are speaking of when you say "college" is pro stuff. In my personal opinion, plays to the hoop, in college, need to have more whistles.

I wish you guys would make up your minds. For years (I'd say 5 years), the buzzword at "pro" camps that I attended was "cheap and-1s". There was a HUGE value placed on holding your whistle on any play going to the basket and let it finish without a whistle unless the contact caused the try to miss.

I haven't been to a pro-philosophy camp in the last two years, so perhaps that emphasis has changed. If so, all I can say is, thank goodness.

John Adams recognizes that there is indeed a problem cause he is wanting officials to up their play calling to 80 percent! That seems crazy to me. I think it should be higher

I said this at the beginning of the season when the 70% figure was stated for last year's NCAA tournament: I simply don't believe it. There's no way that the BEST 90 officials in the country miss 3 out of every 10 calls/no-calls. Either the evaluation method was flawed, or the people evaluating the tape were looking to make a point.

[refguy]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I wish you guys would make up your minds. For years (I'd say 5 years), the buzzword at "pro" camps that I attended was "cheap and-1s". There was a HUGE value placed on holding your whistle on any play going to the basket and let it finish without a whistle unless the contact caused the try to miss.

I haven't been to a pro-philosophy camp in the last two years, so perhaps that emphasis has changed. If so, all I can say is, thank goodness.

I said this at the beginning of the season when the 70% figure was stated for last year's NCAA tournament: I simply don't believe it. There's no way that the BEST 90 officials in the country miss 3 out of every 10 calls/no-calls. Either the evaluation method was flawed, or the people evaluating the tape were looking to make a point.

It was accurate mainly because all the veteran guys who don't go to camps to work on their game ball watch and call all over the floor.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by refguy

It was accurate mainly because all the veteran guys who don't go to camps to work on their game ball watch and call all over the floor.

Simply ridiculous, if you actually believe that.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I wish you guys would make up your minds. For years (I'd say 5 years), the buzzword at "pro" camps that I attended was "cheap and-1s". There was a HUGE value placed on holding your whistle on any play going to the basket and let it finish without a whistle unless the contact caused the try to miss.

I haven't been to a pro-philosophy camp in the last two years, so perhaps that emphasis has changed. If so, all I can say is, thank goodness.

I said this at the beginning of the season when the 70% figure was stated for last year's NCAA tournament: I simply don't believe it. There's no way that the BEST 90 officials in the country miss 3 out of every 10 calls/no-calls. Either the evaluation method was flawed, or the people evaluating the tape were looking to make a point.

No I wasn't saying the figure was too low. I would say 70% is about right, maybe a little higher than that. I was stating that I think he should set the bar higher and aim for about 88-90%. But there are just so many philosophies in the college game and so many assignors out there that its hard to attain that I guess. I hope and wish John Adams the best.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

No I wasn't saying the figure was too low. I would say 70% is about right, maybe a little higher than that.

I understand what you're saying. What I'M saying is that Mr. Adams' numbers are flawed. There's no way that the actual percentage of correct calls in the entire tournament was only 70%.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

I hear you & did not intend for the post to put anybody down, for I am just a mere HS official with aspirations & dreams.

It's just difficult to work on preparing for camps with people who aren't on the same page. Kinda makes for an inconsistent game. ie; once a player gathers the ball, I'm putting them on the line while others say great job getting to the cup, now take the ball out & start over.

But I understand, basically control what you can control...

All you can do is call your game. Stop worrying about what others do or call. If they are not calling what they are supposed to, it will be exposed. This is how people get advanced all the time. Just do your job and let the chips fall where they may.

Peace