When coaches run things

[tomegun]

Well, I retired from the Air Force and moved back home to Vegas. I've only been back for a week. It feels good to be back.

[Adam]

Congrats on the retirement. I was assuming a PCS to Nellis. I'll be heading your way in April for work, hope the weather is good.

So, back to your OP. You talking about the Gulf Coast issues you hinted at so often?

Never mind, I forgot this was hypothetical.

[tomegun]

Yes, it is hypothetical. And yes, it does make you wonder why you even bother to leave the house.

I would imagine, if this was a real situation, that $75 for a double-header isn't too good either.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Well, I retired from the Air Force and moved back home to Vegas. I've only been back for a week. It feels good to be back.

Congrats my man! I hope to see you this summer.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Well, I retired from the Air Force and moved back home to Vegas.

Congrats on your retirement! Well deserved I'm sure. Enjoy!!

Keep an eye on Tricare!! (One military retiree to another! )

[Raymond]

Tomegun, I'll be in Vegas in May for a wedding. I'm pretty sure you know the groom. I'm still at Langley so you know my email address. Send me an email.

[zebraman]

Active coaches should not have input to which officials work their games or rating of officials. Officials end up scared to take care of business. I've also seen it lead to officials spending WAY to much time with coaches, both before and during games.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Active coaches should not have input to which officials work their games or rating of officials. Officials end up scared to take care of business. I've also seen it lead to officials spending WAY to much time with coaches, both before and during games.

Coaches do blackball officials on rare occasions. If multiple coaches have issues with an official, that official needs to work on either their judgment or their people skills. This is a people business, like evry other one. Life's not always fair.

Coaches can also provide the checks and balances needed to hold all parties accountable. The NCAA, schools, and officials are analogous to the executive, legislative, and judicial branches. Freedom dictates that having all3 of these makes sure that all 3 are held accountable.

We are no different than judges. Very important, but there has to be a check and balance on us. If people politic too much or are afraid to make calls, their peers should hammer them accordingly. The problem nobody discusses--98% of officials are afraid to provide much criticism because they are petrified of how it can come back and affect them. That's one great thing about this forum, people are unafraid to make statements because they fear no backlash. That's how people learn.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Coaches do blackball officials on rare occasions.

Rare? :-) I have seen several excellent officials get blackballed because they had the guts to take care of business with a couple coaches that other officials were intimidated by. I work in a conference where coaches don't have input to an official but they do provide comments which we get to see. They are good for entertainment (very funny), but not much else.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Rare? :-) I have seen several excellent officials get blackballed because they had the guts to take care of business with a couple coaches that other officials were intimidated by.

I agree. Then again where I am from, it is up the assignor to put their foot down. Some have the courage, some do not.

Peace

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Rare? :-) I have seen several excellent officials get blackballed because they had the guts to take care of business with a couple coaches that other officials were intimidated by. I work in a conference where coaches don't have input to an official but they do provide comments which we get to see. They are good for entertainment (very funny), but not much else.

I have seen many mediocre officials who think they are better than they are "take care of business" while goading a coach or being wrong in the first place. The assignors I work for make no bones about coaches factoring in about 75% of our ratings and assignments. When I worked HS ball, it was 50% for regular season and 100% for post-season. Guess what? Those who cannot deal with coaches effectively get very few games or get dropped, and they complain about it. They are also quickly forgotten. No different than the guy who gets passed over for promotion at work because the boss doesn't like them.

Grudges from coaches don't happen because you T them up. They happen because of a personality conflict. The best know how to defuse those so they don't carry forward.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Coaches do blackball officials on rare occasions. If multiple coaches have issues with an official, that official needs to work on either their judgment or their people skills.

Good grief! Dumbest two sentences so far this year.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Good grief! Dumbest two sentences so far this year.

How many top officials at any level have personality conflicts with several coaches? The answer is zero. To advance in officiating, you must have the confidence of, and be liked by, the coaches and schools.

It's not always fair. But life is not always fair.

The people who complain about coaches having power over them are the ones who will never get there.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

If multiple coaches have issues with an official, that official needs to work on either their judgment or their people skills.

Or.........maybe multiple coaches lost games worked by that official.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Or.........maybe multiple coaches lost games worked by that official.

It does not have to be that simple. I have had coaches that were jagbags no matter if they won or lost. Then again coaches have reputations too and sometimes it does not matter who is working, they will continue with their antics. There is a coach in my area that is notorious for banning all kinds of officials. And many he bans are considered some of the best around. That is why you cannot rely on everything a coach says or does.