Major upset in women's tourney

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Juulie has been getting huffy and puffy over this topic for years. She got upset when it was discussed on the chat room that was developed for the tournament the last couple of years. She went out of her way to claim that she was not excited about the Men's tournament but the Women's tournament was what she was excited about (and no one asked about what we thought).

I just went out of my way to say that the beginning of the men's tournament wasn't the high point of the year. Women's basketball wasn't the only issue I raised, btw. Mostly I was just trying to razz Nevada a little.

I mostly don't get huffy and puffy about people disliking women's ball. I do get way past frustrated when that dislike turns into belittling women and girls. Which you never did, Jeff, btw, but others did.

Also, I'm perfectly willing to disagree about which is more difficult to ref, women's or men's, but in the past it's always ended up with mud-slinging and flaming and I didn't just go away from that, but tried to defend myself. That was my mistake, and I left when I realized that there was going to be no way I could change the culture or tenor of this board to actively omit that stuff.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And she claimed one of the reasons she left was because people put down women's or girl's basketball.

There were plenty of put downs of women's or girl's basketball, but that wasn't the reason I left, but I"m not going to go into that here. It's just not a constructive topic.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you do not want what you perceive negative comments, then do not bring up people's names and do not comment in a place you claim is hostile to your opinion.

I was simply responding to your comment that there weren't upsets in the women's tournament. I was simply pointing out that while you may or may not be right overall, here was a big upset that happened very, very shortly after your comment. Just kinda interesting.

If you have not noticed, I will say what I want and do not care what others feel about those comments. And if I do not feel like talking about something, I do not bring it up. See how easy that is to do?

I certainly don't mind you expressing your opinions. But it IS frustrating when you claim to be dragged into something that actually, you started. Just saying...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Also, I'm perfectly willing to disagree about which is more difficult to ref, women's or men's, but in the past it's always ended up with mud-slinging and flaming and I didn't just go away from that, but tried to defend myself. That was my mistake, and I left when I realized that there was going to be no way I could change the culture or tenor of this board to actively omit that stuff.

There were plenty of put downs of women's or girl's basketball, but that wasn't the reason I left, but I"m not going to go into that here. It's just not a constructive topic.

OK. I was only referencing things you had said. I am sure there was more to the situation than what you said. I do tend to understand context. And it is certainly true that the comments were not just from me.

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

I was simply responding to your comment that there weren't upsets in the women's tournament. I was simply pointing out that while you may or may not be right overall, here was a big upset that happened very, very shortly after your comment. Just kinda interesting.

I would understand if I said, "There never…ever is ever an upset in women's basketball." That is the farthest thing from what I have said. I said that there is not the same level of upsets as compared to the Men's side. And without getting into much detail, the information is out there. And I have won a few pools simply by picking mostly the top seeds and winning. Last year was the first time in Men's Tourney history that all top seeds made the Final Four. It is not unusual that the Men's top seeds may not make the Final Four. That was really the point I was making. That has nothing to do with putting down Women's basketball. That is stating things they talk about on ESPN all the time.

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

I certainly don't mind you expressing your opinions. But it IS frustrating when you claim to be dragged into something that actually, you started. Just saying...

Juulie, I did not start the thread, you did. I did not come here saying "See I was right." And if you did not mention my name, I would not have said a word. And after this thread is over, I likely will not comment again until maybe the Final Four, which I sometimes watch because nothing else is going on (I am not a big early season baseball fan).

[Raymond]

Were there any upsets Monday?

[love2refbball]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Were there any upsets Monday?

Actually there were - #7 Rutgers beat #2 Auburn.
The Gonzaga(12)/Pitt (4) game was very good and competitive and so was the Ohio St.(3)/Miss. St. (11) game even though the higher seeds moved on.
I enjoy women's basketball, I work on the women's side and being a girl myself, I have more interest than most here, but I do agree that usually there are not many upsets and even during the regular season there is a HUGE disparity between the #1 team in the country and the #10. That being said, this years tournament has been fun to watch with many more close games and even some upsets.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by love2refbball

Actually there were - #7 Rutgers beat #2 Auburn.
The Gonzaga(12)/Pitt (4) game was very good and competitive and so was the Ohio St.(3)/Miss. St. (11) game even though the higher seeds moved on.
I enjoy women's basketball, I work on the women's side and being a girl myself, I have more interest than most here, but I do agree that usually there are not many upsets and even during the regular season there is a HUGE disparity between the #1 team in the country and the #10. That being said, this years tournament has been fun to watch with many more close games and even some upsets.

I was asking facetiously. I was forced to watch NCAA-W last night as I worked out on the eliptical. North Carolina and Florida State were also upset.

[love2refbball]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I was asking facetiously. I was forced to watch NCAA-W last night as I worked out on the eliptical. North Carolina and Florida State were also upset.

I figured you were, but maybe someone really wanted to know...

[grunewar]

And, down goes Duke (1) and down goes Auburn (2) ........

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I was asking facetiously. I was forced to watch NCAA-W last night as I worked out on the eliptical. North Carolina and Florida State were also upset.

What the Wizards weren't on? Or, not interested in the WBC?
PS - the women of Austin Peay went down to defeat also although it wasn't an upset.

[mbyron]

"The women of Austin Peay..."

Reminds me of a prim and proper lady I worked with in my youth, who would do the following cheer (and reduce herself to giggles):

"We're the girls of Norfolk U.,
We don't smoke and we don't chew!
Norfolk U.!
Norfolk U.!"